Very limited content at ARR launch :( ?

[Lux_Rayna]

People do jump ship if there is no content to do in a game, for example FFXIV Bombed hard because it was a bad game, but they still had around 50K users after the first month, then that number started going down, because there was really nothing to do in the game, there was no purpose to overcoming the grind..... People that where able to put up with the horrible U.I and lag left because there was absolutely nothing to do at end game, that is not to say that people also left because of game mechanics and lack of auction house etc etc. But to say that lack of content is not a major reason, is pretty idiotic, swotors problem was that as you played your own arc of the story, and every single class had it's own distinct storyline and quest related content, by the time you got to cap, they all converged in to literally one, and the content available at cap was very lackluster by numbers and quality, also PVP play's a major role in the dip that swotor has seen in it's subscription, the huge unbalanced across classes was very detramental to the game, and PVP brings a lot of players but it also brings huge balancing problems.

Was swotor overhype ? Dunno, i got about what i expected from the game, a Kotor feel in a MMO setting, really great voice acting, and a quest based leveling up experience, could it have been developed better ? Sure, was it a success on release ? Yes, is it a success now ? Yes, will it be a success in the future ? Who knows.

This is only an issue with bad games. That is really all there is to it. A good game never has that issue, because ppl enjoy playing it. A bad game has to give reasons for ppl to play (like new content), otherwise ppl wont put up with it. Both SWTOR and FFXIV were bad games, which is why their lack of endgame content continued to hurt them. Lack of endgame content is NORMAL for new releases, and everyone mmorpg player who would bother putting in serious time knows this already. The casual crowd doesn't matter because most of them wont even get to enjoy endgame content anyways, or take so long to get through it new content will be forthcoming immediately (as in my case). Like I said, the endgame content (or lack thereof) never ever ever kills a game. Ever. The avg human with avg brain capacity understands an MMO is not an infinite world. Content will run dry, you will have to wait for new stuff to be made, etc etc. Thats the very nature of MMO's. There's no such thing on this planet as an endless stream of new endgame content. That being the case, if we KNOW this, then it is impossible to claim a lack of endgame content is ever the problem with new releases. It can't be.

The only problem EVER is that the game sucks. And when the game sucks, you need another ostensible reason for playing, which more often than not, comes in the form of available endgame content. As we can see, the root of the problem is always fun. If it is a good game (ie fun), lack of endgame content will never matter. Its a part of the MMORPG genre. If the game sucks (SWTOR and FFXIV say hi), then endgame content is the only thing that can salvage it. A lack of which will have more ppl leaving than staying.

[Xatsh]

We can make any excuse we want. Its a new game, not an expansion but a re-release, if you start from level 1 you have plenty of content. That does not matter a huge chunk of the population has most jobs at 50.

IT does not change the fact that if there is not enough content for those with all level 50 classes/jobs atm... you will have an exodus of players. We waited for this game to get endgame once.... I do not see many people giving SE a third chance if they bomb the content department again.

They might have alittle time after launch... like 1-2 weeks tops to get endgame ready if it is not at launch.

[Felis]

We can make any excuse we want. Its a new game, not an expansion but a re-release, if you start from level 1 you have plenty of content. That does not matter a huge chunk of the population has most jobs at 50.

IT does not change the fact that if there is not enough content for those with all level 50 classes/jobs atm... you will have an exodus of players. We waited for this game to get endgame once.... I do not see many people giving SE a third chance if they bomb the content department again.

They might have alittle time after launch... like 1-2 weeks tops to get endgame ready if it is not at launch.

For players with all level 50 classes (I doubt many players would really have all classes at 50) there would coming a new class to level and 3 new story lines to explore

"There will be three major storylines included in Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn. The first is a large, overarching story, one not alike what you find in World of Warcraft. Basically, it covers the Garlean Empire and how they've invaded and how the people of the Realm are attempting to get their Realm back." Yoshida began.

He continued, moving on to detail the second story. "The second story is going to be a story surrounding the Primals which are the summons in Final Fantasy XIV and how there are many different Beast Tribes that worship these Primals and how these Primals, when summoned, drain the lifeforce of the planet. Whenever they're out, they weaken the place. Thus, the second story is going to revolve around how the people of the Realm are fighting the Beast Tribes and how they're attempting to stop the Beast Tribes from bringing this threat to the planet. There's also a bit on how the Garlean Empire is kind of involved in this as well. “

"Finally, we're going to be looking at a continuation of what is going to happen at the end of the current version. A giant entity in the sky, Dalamud, is coming towards the planet and it's threatening all life there. Basically, what's going to happen at the time Dalamud comes and the period after that, we have the story solve all those mysteries that were left untied at the end of the story.

“Of course, the story will be told through many, m any different quests. We have a large number of questions that we will be implementing and these will range from very short quests that will only hint at the background story to very Final Fantasy-esque high quality cutscenes with lots of dialogue and exposition. “

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/g...ew.html/page/1

[Jennestia]

That was good in 2002. Not now. Lot of people left SWTOR because of lack of endgame content.

They're converting and revamping all current content for ARR, so in your words:

it's as simple as that.

The only content for ARR wasn't Crystal Tower and PvP.

We can make any excuse we want. Its a new game, not an expansion but a re-release, if you start from level 1 you have plenty of content.

Yet SE themselves told us they're porting 1.0's content in -- if everyone at cap with everything done won't have much to do, that's not fully on SE's mind -- New people wouldn't have done anything and would have plenty to do -- that's the bottom line, people who will join ARR will have lots to do, we don't even know the extent of the changes to the current content yet to state that SE will be releasing no content with ARR.

[Starlord]

They're converting and revamping all current content for ARR, so in your words:



The only content for ARR wasn't Crystal Tower and PvP.



Yet SE themselves told us they're porting 1.0's content in -- if everyone at cap with everything done won't have much to do, that's not fully on SE's mind -- New people wouldn't have done anything and would have plenty to do -- that's the bottom line, people who will join ARR will have lots to do, we don't even know the extent of the changes to the current content yet to state that SE will be releasing no content with ARR.

M: So with the recent changes on the developer’s team… What sorts of effects did that have on the development when those changes happened? Did they completely change the direction you want to go with A Realm Reborn?

Yoshida: Uhm, a lot of the high profile members of the team changed and new people came to create a new core team but the remainder of the development team stays pretty much the same. It wasn’t like we had to start explain to everyone what they had to do. We had to explain the current team that we need to have updates for the current version of Final Fantasy XIV and at the same time create a new game, so we had to tell them that pretty much everything they are making over the year will be thrown away, so it will completely go to waste. To motivate the team telling them that all will be thrown away was very difficult to explain and hard on them. But when you look at the current version of the game and the changes we made that aren’t changes we made without motivation, but with a limited amount of resources.

Sadly... they won't be ported over, only the name.... from this Interview Answer from Yoshida: http://jpgames.de/2012/08/gamescom-2...naoki-yoshida/

[Arcell]

Sadly... they won't be ported over, only the name.... from this Interview Answer from Yoshida: http://jpgames.de/2012/08/gamescom-2...naoki-yoshida/

The name and type of content will be ported, everything else will be changed. So Aurum Vale the Dungeon will still be Aurum Vale the Dungeon, it just won't physically resemble the same dungeon and the objectives, enemies and bosses will be different. Ifrit the Primal will still be Ifrit the Primal, the strategy, venue and available attacks will likely change.

[Starlord]

The name and type of content will be ported, everything else will be changed. So Aurum Vale the Dungeon will still be Aurum Vale the Dungeon, it just won't physically resemble the same dungeon and the objectives, enemies and bosses will be different. Ifrit the Primal will still be Ifrit the Primal, the strategy, venue and available attacks will likely change.

Hmm..

so we had to tell them that pretty much everything they are making over the year will be thrown away, so it will completely go to waste.

Is a Contradiction to what your guys are saying ^.^ lol idn about you, but the way he says it its like You see all this Content we made? Yeah.. were trashing it come 2.0.. Sorry guys >.<.

[Starlord]

30k Subs Currently< 500k Returners/Beginners that is all...

[Arcell]

Apparently Yoshida saying a couple of things won't be in immediately at launch = no new content at launch. Gotta love how people take things and run with them.

For new players, there's tons of content they haven't even started yet. For old players there's a whole new world to explore, new storylines, new quests and revamped versions of the current content. Don't expect to just go into what we have now using the same strategies, they've outright told us that it won't work.

[Jennestia]

They are, they said current strategies won't work which means the design in 1.0 won't be the same design in ARR, since once 1.0 goes offline that means that work is gone -- it's common developer talk lol.