Modders did it to themselves

[Asgon]

Tbh the internet should not censor itself because the EU decided what we could and could not see online maybe they should go the china route and wall their citizens off from the rest of the net so they don't have to worry about their kids (that are being abducted by groomer gangs) seeing boobas online.




People have made pron of mine craft so if you search for that you would also be put off from minecraft, street fighter, pokemon anything if it is on the internet there is unsavory content of it.

the internet is not and never has been a safe place for children, parents should be keenly aware of what their kids are looking at and be ready to protect them at all times the gov should have no place in that because it often does not work. xD

here in america the ESRB raiting for XIV is T for teen IIrc and like all ESRB ratings online interactions are not monitored square is not responsible for the content online best they could do is ban the people actively advertising and airing out bad behavior in he game's public areas. the common sense route.

you would make a good parent if you see pron in the game; easy don't let them play the game, doubly so if you do not plan to monitor them while they play.
Have your children play single player games or games without a means of communication try bopl battle that is a good game for children. :3

UK is not EU

[Haru304]

Internet is rife with porn surrounding characters from franchises that are aimed at children. This isn't a new thing and FFXIV isn't a unique example, and that's without delving into porn commissions which were a thing way before any type of custom mod. I'm not saying people shouldn't be responsible, because they should, and whether or not it involves a child but especially so, (mmorpgs, ffxiv specifically, have an overwhelming adult playerbase, fortunately) you should not be exposing people to unsolicited NSFW materials, period. Unfortunately, this often falls flat, because the vast majority of FFXIV affiliated Discords are either 18/21+, and usually have at least one NSFW channel. Safeguarding, particularly where minors are concerned, has to be a constant, rigorous process and a combination of player responsibility, parental supervision and proper moderation enforcement.

Beyond players being banned in-game for freely hosting or advertising such content, I don't imagine things will escalate beyond that. And if Square Enix moderation actually cracked down more frequently on Third Party Mods, then it would follow that players would be more discreet concerning Third Party Mods. If anything, the ambivalent attitude towards 99% of Mods or how they're shared (still extremely possible btw) reinforces the idea that they can't feasibly moderate them effectively.

Syncshells we're a great idea in theory, but pretty poor in practice when you consider that people cannot and will not keep their mouths shut. The convenience, and ease of access, while great in execution, bred a very lackadaisical mentality surrounding not just this particular Mod, but Mods in general.

Personally, I don't care about people circumventing a cash shop that I highly dislike. And I value the achievement of doing something versus getting a shiny participation sticker for it. If you want more subs, make the game better. If you adopt a complacent attitude towards development, players are going to adopt a complacent attitude about opening their wallets.

And one of the largest ironies, is that the fans of the playground variant of the mod is still, allegedly, available and being used to this day. Hmm...

[Clerith]

And one of the largest ironies, is that the fans of the playground variant of the mod is still, allegedly, available and being used to this day. Hmm...

You mean the Loporrit-Sync Server? It was mentioned in the Interview with the Mare creator and that it is not adviced to use it.
You can also easily find information about this online. But I assume they don't (yet) have an official address to which they could send a cease-and-desist order? I'm not sure.
It could also simply be that they've chosen Mare because of its widespread popularity and are now observing the reactions. We'll see.

[Haru304]

You mean the Loporrit-Sync Server? It was mentioned in the Interview with the Mare creator and that it is not adviced to use it.
You can also easily find information about this online. But I assume they don't (yet) have an official address to which they could send a cease-and-desist order? I'm not sure.
It could also simply be that they've chosen Mare because of its widespread popularity and are now observing the reactions. We'll see.

I think it's also just largely the case that, ironically, alleged predators are more capable of discretion than your average mare-user. Which isn't surprising, but I appreciate the irony.

[Anzaman]

Well, given how Mare had 270k users, I'd be more surprised if all of the users would have managed to stay silent.

At those numbers, even 1% acting like rulers of the universe would be large enough number to cause noticeable disruption in the Aether.

[Commander_Justitia]

If I would be a dev for the game, e.g. design armor sets, for difficult content or $ - then patch day and everybody wears it next day, makes me feel like... am I really the dev? or somebody outside the company making the decisions over my work? It is a lot of power such a popular mod can have, deciding what players are effectively doing with their time. Is it a MMORPG or a second life simulator disco umbrella game?

Like be happy, we don't have kernel anti cheat spyware. They already let you do what you want. Compare that to WoW

I don't think its just UK btw, it is multiple countries. AI is killing the internet as we know it, and there is an urge to getting control over it right now with more identification and surveillance systems etc. to counter it. All in the name of protecting children, while leading IT security professionals are telling you that it is a pile of ineffective bs, restricting your privacy and security rights. You can probably look up "chat control" yourself in EU, as its being debated this year. A backdoor to everything you say online. Can't wait till some ffxiv player gets police visit for his lalafell nsfw pictures that got automatically flagged by AI, as false positive...What will this say about SE?

EU has a Pegi16 age rating. I think in USA and elsewhere its 13+. I think it should be 16+, I saw too much questionable predatory stuff in partyfinder. Idk if FFXIV likes to get into the news as Roblox did recently. They need to avert damage now proactively, or they face damage to their reputation as company in the future.

[MayuAmakura]

If I would be a dev for the game, e.g. design armor sets, for difficult content or $ - then patch day and everybody wears it next day, makes me feel like... am I really the dev? or somebody outside the company making the decisions over my work? It is a lot of power such a popular mod can have, deciding what players are effectively doing with their time. Is it a MMORPG or a second life simulator disco umbrella game?

Like be happy, we don't have kernel anti cheat spyware. They already let you do what you want. Compare that to WoW

I don't think its just UK btw, it is multiple countries. AI is killing the internet as we know it, and there is an urge to getting control over it right now with more identification and surveillance systems etc. to counter it. All in the name of protecting children, while leading IT security professionals are telling you that it is a pile of ineffective bs, restricting your privacy and security rights. You can probably look up "chat control" yourself in EU, as its being debated this year. A backdoor to everything you say online. Can't wait till some ffxiv player gets police visit for his lalafell nsfw pictures that got automatically flagged by AI, as false positive...What will this say about SE?

EU has a Pegi16 age rating. I think in USA and elsewhere its 13+. I think it should be 16+, I saw too much questionable predatory stuff in partyfinder. Idk if FFXIV likes to get into the news as Roblox did recently. They need to avert damage now proactively, or they face damage to their reputation as company in the future.

Let's not mention how ARR expansion has so many NFSW stuff that is divided into quests, NPC text speech, funny dialogs, golden sauce,etc.

I don't mind it. I think this is great but some people will find this "horrible". I also wonder where is that guy that said that mare is bad for children but ARR quests with porn references isn't?

[Daralii]

EU has a Pegi16 age rating. I think in USA and elsewhere its 13+. I think it should be 16+, I saw too much questionable predatory stuff in partyfinder. Idk if FFXIV likes to get into the news as Roblox did recently. They need to avert damage now proactively, or they face damage to their reputation as company in the future.

Online interactions are not rated by the ESRB. That disclaimer has been on rating labels for decades.

[TBerry]

Most people throwing spite or Schadenfreude at the Mare shutdown do not seem to understand or conveniently ignore how the RP community works.It's about characters, mostly everyday peiople of all walks of life, living their life on this star. Of course there are people who like to engage in light RP, or just try to hook up, but most of the time they adhere to the etiquette..
In my entire time in the community people mostly use mods to tweak their characters. Certain body mods are needed to give your character tatoos or piercings or give them more defined muscles, though the latter can be done without.
Plus to see all of that you had to be be SYNCED. You had to WILLINGLY subjact yourself to see this.
Also sex is normal part of life and usually part of the character arc.
Never have I encountered a character that is younger than 18, and most seem to understand the implications and deal with dark content respectfully. Most of that content is also confined to party chat and within the RP community.
Alos IC =/= OOC.

[Uzephi]

You had to WILLINGLY subjact yourself to see this.
Also sex is normal part of life and usually part of the character arc. Never have I encountered a character that is younger than 18, and most seem to understand the implications and deal with dark content respectfully. Most of that content is also confined to party chat and within the RP community.
Alos IC =/= OOC.

Explain that to the officer, 'their character was over 18, we were just ERPing.' that won't fly if the person behind that character was under 18. IC =/= OOC? Yeah, have fun in court with that.