Modders did it to themselves

[Saraide]

He's a world first raider that's had a lot of influence in combat perception in the player base because he's objectively really damn good at FFXIV. You can actually trace the healer rage and boycotts directly to him as and a few others in the media tour for Endwalker did the preview dungeon with no healers and cleared it with zero deaths. He's SO good he's on the shortlist of players that indirectly shape the meta.

But he's also stuck as a single game streamer that has had the air that he doesn't like the game he plays anymore and hasn't for a while, but actually makes bank during the ultimate and savage raid launches so he can't move on.

Healer outrage was a thing long before that media tour and his community was at the time openly hostile to anyone in support of the healer strike thread. That media tour run was merely the final straw.

Xeno himself wasnt hostile (unlike arthars) but did vehemently disagree with one of the core points of the healer strike thread which was nerfing tank self sustain.

[Doomed_Raven]

Imagine if CBSIII had this same enthusiasm for the many thousands of Lalafell RMT bots teleporting through the ground and actively wrecking the in-game economy, or hindering the ability to do certain field content/logs involving mobs.

I don't use mods as on PS5 and don't care what people do behind closed doors with clothes/aesthetics, though I can understand it starting to harm the IP if it got out of control and too public (i.e that billboard ad).

[Xurtan]

Healer outrage started back in Stormblood, because for anyone that mained the role the writing was on the wall for homogenization and loss of class identity.

[Haru304]

In truth, I think it's pretty absurd to have over two hundred thousand players using an extremely convenient third-party mod facilitated by an equally convenient third-party tool, that's prolifically normalised and accepted to the point it just becomes common knowledge, and also expect people not to spill the tea. There are already numerous popular (and not so popular) forks of the mod in question being bandied around ad nauseum, with Discord servers in the thousands of users... so, yeah, no lessons on discretion really learned here, or heck, 'mod safety', or whatever.

Personally, I used to be very averse to the idea of mods, up until just late-game Endwalker when I developed a more accepting attitude towards them because they have the potential to improve the overall experience of the game.

For every mutant or fan of the playground out there, there's a lot more people simply enjoying a nicer looking hair cut, a thicker beard, additional body scars, etcetera. And for every mod out there that someone might dislike or find to be at odds with immersion, there are... countless that folks will doubtlessly enjoy.

I genuinely think that 99% of the time, paid mods are a large no no, but I also don't like monthly subscription based MMORPGs cash locking some of their most awesome content behind further pay walls.

When it comes to... player safeguarding, particularly where minors are concerned, it falls to people to be personally responsible, and I take great issue with people shamelessly linking randoms to carrd profiles brimming with either warped edits or pure, more often -far- from vanilla bits of smut. It's largely a problem that boils down to individual discretion, and of course, supervision.

Thankfully, data suggests that an overwhelming number of players are 18+, and that the game typically doesn't appeal to younger folks, and that applies to this genre of MMORPG across the board. Nearly every community you'll find in game has pretty strict restrictions about being aimed at 18+, with corresponding Discord servers, that, -game not withstanding-, often have at least one explicit NSFW channel. (I don't really get it but whatever)

My hottest take, largely, is that Square Enix moderation is pretty 'meh' across the board, and moderators were -definitely- not taking pro-active action anywhere near as much as they should be doing. You cannot convince people that discretion is required unless they see real consequences for their actions being routinely executed. You cannot expect everyone, in a group that numbers in the hundreds of thousands, to comprehend the importance of 'fight club', if there is no consequence for blabbing about fight club. And people, who're still screaming in shout chat about every fork out here, have not learned a thing, because they do not comprehend the broader consequences for the modding community. Even after having their favourite toy taken away.

[Andras63]

I have a question. Is it really necessary to do something that is prohibited by the terms of use? You agree to the terms of use when you play the game, so if you want to use mods, you shouldn't agree to them in the first place.

People who use mods that are far removed from FFXIV characters or engage in sexual acts in-game don't need to do that in FFXIV, right?
Why not just do it in SIMS or VR chat?

If you say, "My identity is..." the answer is, "Then express it somewhere else. This is not the place to express your identity."

[MsMisato]

I have a question. Is it really necessary to do something that is prohibited by the terms of use? You agree to the terms of use when you play the game, so if you want to use mods, you shouldn't agree to them in the first place.

People who use mods that are far removed from FFXIV characters or engage in sexual acts in-game don't need to do that in FFXIV, right?
Why not just do it in SIMS or VR chat?

If you say, "My identity is..." the answer is, "Then express it somewhere else. This is not the place to express your identity."

you realize engaging in sexual acts before mare was thing right? they used in game emotes. I remember when posts were crying about the push up emote being used all over the place. for real go touch some grass. You're alwasy going to find bad things every where. this stuff this modding lewd stuff has been around since ffxi....

[Andras63]

you realize engaging in sexual acts before mare was thing right? they used in game emotes. I remember when posts were crying about the push up emote being used all over the place. for real go touch some grass. You're alwasy going to find bad things every where. this stuff this modding lewd stuff has been around since ffxi....

There are romantic elements in the game, so I can understand the ending, but doing it in public or posting it on social media seems a bit perverted...

That said, you can't take off your underwear or have sex in the game, so I don't think it's a problem as long as you don't overuse emotes.
*Engaging in sexual acts or sexual chat in public is a violation of the Terms of Use, even if you are not using a mod.

[MsMisato]

There are romantic elements in the game, so I can understand the ending, but doing it in public or posting it on social media seems a bit perverted...

That said, you can't take off your underwear or have sex in the game, so I don't think it's a problem as long as you don't overuse emotes.
*Engaging in sexual acts or sexual chat in public is a violation of the Terms of Use, even if you are not using a mod.

you would be surprised what people did before that third party tool came along with the push up, squat emotes. but as someone said in game, its mostly for clout, the updoots, upvotes, likes and such.

This was as bad when adventure plates became a thing. people posing in highly sexual suggestive ways lol.

[Andras63]

you would be surprised what people did before that third party tool came along with the push up, squat emotes. but as someone said in game, its mostly for clout, the updoots, upvotes, likes and such.

This was as bad when adventure plates became a thing. people posing in highly sexual suggestive ways lol.

Well, if you can't control your reason or sexual desire, you should stop playing games and go see a psychiatrist.(´Д｀；)

[Oizen]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...5eb456d2183251

Welp we got our official answer: Optics and they're mad people were wearing Mogstation glamour without paying for it.

I have a hunch their investors are breathing down their neck as to why their revenue is dropping so hard, so they're grasping at straws and Mare became the scapgoat.
Personally, if I was unhappy with the money my product was making, I'd alter my product into being one people want to stay subscribed to and keep playing. Mods definitely cost SE some money sure.
But I bet its pennies compared to the amount of lost money caused by their burnt good will and Post Endwalker - Dawntrail.