Post Duty damage meter

[AvoSturmfaust]

Not the point being made. There is no scenario where you can add an element like this to the pve aspect of the game and it not result in toxicity.

Get over it.

Thats not even true, like i said previous, add a dps meter which shows only YOUR OWN DPS and Stats/Casts etc etc etc now you can compare yourself with other Vipers which arent against it, so where is now the toxicity?

And even if they would add a full group dps meter which sadly wont happen why are people so afraid of it? Are they worried because people could see that they press only 1 button every 10s, i said it so often nobody expect that people play like a god, only to carry the own weight thats not toxic thats normal human behaviour

[Valence]

Not the point being made. There is no scenario where you can add an element like this to the pve aspect of the game and it not result in toxicity.

Get over it.

Get over what? Do you think I'm defending the addition to a DPS meter to pve or something? I'm saying that the scoreboard is NOT the source of toxicity in pvp, which you advanced in your post. And just as I wrote above, comparing the pvp damage meter with whatever meter would be in pve makes zero sense because both modes don't work around damage the same way at all. That's why adding a full damage meter to pve where you'd get the numbers for everybody would result in a big rise in toxicity, because of the reason I brought up: pve is all about damage, damage and damage again with no other variables.

[switchhitter]

I think a personal rating or score shown to you at the end to allow you to know how you're doing would be really nice. Bonus if you can enable it yourself, as an opt-in for those who want it. I sometimes wonder 'am I doing OK?' with my class, and being on the PS5 I have no way of accessing some of the tools that PC users have to measure themselves. I know stone/sky/sea can give you a very general idea, but it'd be nice for something more in-depth.

[Everbox]

Terrible idea and there's a reason why a DPS meter hasn't been implemented in the game. PvP stats work because PvP is literally about competing. Besides the objective, the scoreboard is the content. You aren't competing against people in PvE you're competing against a boss. The second that a dps meter would be implemented, people would stop caring as much about mechanics and start stat padding so they can screenshot it for Discord. As a WoW refugee, when people start obsessing over DPS it brings in harassment and elitism every single time. It doesn't matter who in your party is the lowest on the DPS meter as long as the content gets cleared.

If you care more about numbers than the duty complete screen, maybe you're playing the wrong MMO twin...

[AmiableApkallu]

If you care more about numbers than the duty complete screen, maybe you're playing the wrong MMO twin...

To be fair, DPS checks do exist in this game. Sometimes, the numbers do actually have to hit some minimum threshold or else you're not seeing that Duty Complete screen.

And even without DPS checks, improving those numbers might mean you get to that Duty Complete screen sooner rather than later.

The problem is when someone tries to "greed" those numbers instead of playing it on the safer side.

[Everbox]

To be fair, DPS checks do exist in this game. Sometimes, the numbers do actually have to hit some minimum threshold or else you're not seeing that Duty Complete screen.

And even without DPS checks, improving those numbers might mean you get to that Duty Complete screen sooner rather than later.

The problem is when someone tries to "greed" those numbers instead of playing it on the safer side.

Obviously DPS checks exist, but that’s a far cry from handing players a full-on meter to obsess over the entire fight. Mindsets will shift from focusing on learning mechanics to looking at their number on the DPS meter. Improving your numbers can speed up clears, yes, but only if you actually understand the fights. The vast majority of raid wipes, over 90% by most community estimates, are caused by players not handling mechanics correctly, not by low DPS. In cases where mechanics are executed properly by everyone and the DPS check still isn’t hit, you can just look at enmity order to see who’s contributing least instead of begging SE to add a meter.

[Stasya]

Obviously DPS checks exist, but that’s a far cry from handing players a full-on meter to obsess over the entire fight. Mindsets will shift from focusing on learning mechanics to looking at their number on the DPS meter. Improving your numbers can speed up clears, yes, but only if you actually understand the fights. The vast majority of raid wipes, over 90% by most community estimates, are caused by players not handling mechanics correctly, not by low DPS. In cases where mechanics are executed properly by everyone and the DPS check still isn’t hit, you can just look at enmity order to see who’s contributing least instead of begging SE to add a meter.

Nah, ff14 needs dps meter simply to call out not bad play but literal botters pretending to be "casual tee hee" in any content.

Just google auto duty, auto rotation etc. People blatantly cheat to do roulettes and nothing you can do about it.

[Everbox]

Nah, ff14 needs dps meter simply to call out not bad play but literal botters pretending to be "casual tee hee" in any content.

Just google auto duty, auto rotation etc. People blatantly cheat to do roulettes and nothing you can do about it.

if you think a DPS meter will magically stop botters, I fear you're delusional. People will find ways to cheat no matter what tools SE gives them. Adding a meter just shifts focus from learning mechanics to obsessing over numbers and breeds toxicity for everyone else. IF someone is auto-rotating or botting, there's already logs, reports, and SE monitoring to deal with them. Creating a DPS meter isn't going to solve the issue you're bringing up.

[TaleraRistain]

No, thank you. There is no need for something like that in the more casual content. In the more endgame content, there are already tools the community utilizes but SE has always been adamant about not using them against other players. Having an official measurement in game would dilute that grey area they can exist in, so there's no reason for SE to implement it. Not to mention it would lead to toxicity in the more casual content over something that isn't needed there because there will always be those more concerned about their numbers than enjoying the run with other people.

[BlisteringFrost]

Add it in.

If someone behaves poorly using it as a weapon to do so, then you just report them. Are you more scared of making a report ticket or something?