Quote Originally Posted by HanakoTheGoth View Post
Jankieness of there kit reason why they are getting reworked in 8.0 also about plenary indulgence sure alright however is it needed no. you easily heal whole raid up without it. have tools to do it. sometimes it overheals more then heals cause sure output of healing you do with over all healing aoe kit it feels like overkill
Is plenary needed? No, but it's still a tool in your kit that cuts the amount of GCD healing you need, which means you get to pump more dps, for better or worse.
Also, stop claiming things as if you're certain- you still haven't provided any proof for the claims you made in your other thread of '100% confirmed changes for 8.0'

Quote Originally Posted by HanakoTheGoth View Post
tell that to summon-er players that want turn a class that is well loved into a modern day wow warlock clone


why do summoners what turn summoner into class it is not? pretty anwsered your own question there
Older Summoner players want Shadowbringers (or prior) summoner back because it's the only job that played the way it did, even if it wasn't thematic. Now we have a flashy and thematic but shallow as a puddle job in it's place. They cared about the playstyle, and when they complain about how their job got shot out behind the shed, they got told to play in the kiddie pool with their new toys, and not complain when their old ones get taken away.