Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
It’s “summoner” not “ruin 3 spammer”

That’s the entire problem, the new summoner doesn’t do ANYTHING with its design brief. I’m not arguing for old SMN back I’m saying new SMN is arguably even more flawed and less like a summoner than old SMN it just hides it behind empty pretty lights. You can think whatever you want about old SMN and how much it did or didn’t reflect the job fantasy of a summoner, it doesn’t mean new SMN is an sort of base to work off and not just a flawed pile of nothingness

Adding more primals doesn’t fix summoner because the primals don’t DO anything, they are glorified raidwides. Like literally if the primal didn’t appear on the screen for 3 seconds you could rename the job elementalancer and nobody would even dispute it. But to make the summons actual useable entities then you have to consider pets again. I’m not advocating for egis but a summoner who spawns primals just to do a raidwide and aspect their ruin 3 casts is a pretty poor summoner.

All basically adds up to new summoner not being any closer to a good summoner than old summoner but being a hell of a lot more boring
Have you played any FF before 13? Summons for the majority of the series have been wide spread high damage magic. It wasn't until fairly recently in the series that they took on more of a permanent pet approach.