Summoner - What it needs.

[HanakoTheGoth]

1.Old Summoner is dead. no it should never come back. if it does come back it need to be completely different caster-job. saying that outright. cause summoner class always been bad ever sense realm reborn new summoner is not any better cause you refuse give us anymore gem summons would result in more interesting game play instead you gave us a job that is only 25% finished brain dead to play its not even full-job at this point

2. do want to know what summoners been wanting yoshi-p. ill say this slowly as possible with all do respect. we want to be able to "Summon" we want to summon shiva, ramuh and leviathan, we like to have odin long side bahamut and phoenix. did we really need bahamut-reskin all do respect this needs to stop we dont want same ol boring kit. we want new stuff sorry

we are tired of having same kit. of garuda, titan and ifirit we had these summons. we dont want your "Igis" cause they are ugly floating chicken nugget isnt titan

3. I suggest you go take your dev team go play final fantasy 11s summoner see what peak summoner gameplay feels like. and give back the players sense of achievement when they fight 1 v 1 battle with there favourite summon. could of done so much more then what we were given.

4. also split summoner and scholar into two different jobs god knows we could use new level1 healer selection on character creation better introduce players to shield healing from from the start then on dps hybrid job at level30

like allowing summoners have very own trails that can queue up once per day to challenge the primal make them submit. in epic battle. make it so these fights arent easy but makes player feel awesome when finally do it

Summoner Quests are poorly made. and frankly boring to do . don't mean hurt anyone's feelings here but just being honest with you. please squire-enix think of players that supported your franchise for decades before realising bad repentive content.

again thank you for trying to read what i posted. again play final fantasy 11 see how real summoner looks like

[Supersnow845]

Summoner needs to be completely rebuilt. New summoner is no more a summoner than old summoner is.

I don’t feel any more like a summoner now than I used to, now I just spam 5 types of ruin 3. Making it 8 types of ruin 3 by introducing shiva, Levi and ramuh changes nothing

11’s SMN is arguably closer to old SMN than it is new SMN

[HanakoTheGoth]

Summoner needs to be completely rebuilt. New summoner is no more a summoner than old summoner is.

I don’t feel any more like a summoner now than I used to, now I just spam 5 types of ruin 3. Making it 8 types of ruin 3 by introducing shiva, Levi and ramuh changes nothing

11’s SMN is arguably closer to old SMN than it is new SMN

Its "Summon-er" not 50 button rotation dot mage with very bad pet design that made you cringe everytime you summoned them. no regradless shiva levi and ramuh needs to be added even if they added some of old kit back to summoner. this isn't good I am on side that they need to do both more summons more better dps rotation

I want to say it was way more then just game play that made 11 summoner better. it was there quests epic battles you had to be able to summon. it was a status system if you managed to get all of the summons in the game. before they made it super easy to get . pet abilities they had. sure summoners wasnt most powerful end game caster. but it was fun if not most fun anyone could ever play . yes smn/rdm was really powerful you can say that. but summons always be primary focus when designing its kit . not what we were given. both new and old all terrible

sure agree with you having more person dps buttons would be nice that should happen. but also more summons would be nice too cant ignore that fact as well this titan, ifirit garuda fetish dev team has to come to an end


besides you have no idea how many ppl got banned from these forms cause rage inducing old summoner was "you want old summoner bacK? you want tri-bind back? want all those terrible abilities back"? are you sane?

[Supersnow845]

It’s “summoner” not “ruin 3 spammer”

That’s the entire problem, the new summoner doesn’t do ANYTHING with its design brief. I’m not arguing for old SMN back I’m saying new SMN is arguably even more flawed and less like a summoner than old SMN it just hides it behind empty pretty lights. You can think whatever you want about old SMN and how much it did or didn’t reflect the job fantasy of a summoner, it doesn’t mean new SMN is an sort of base to work off and not just a flawed pile of nothingness

Adding more primals doesn’t fix summoner because the primals don’t DO anything, they are glorified raidwides. Like literally if the primal didn’t appear on the screen for 3 seconds you could rename the job elementalancer and nobody would even dispute it. But to make the summons actual useable entities then you have to consider pets again. I’m not advocating for egis but a summoner who spawns primals just to do a raidwide and aspect their ruin 3 casts is a pretty poor summoner.

All basically adds up to new summoner not being any closer to a good summoner than old summoner but being a hell of a lot more boring

[HanakoTheGoth]

It’s “summoner” not “ruin 3 spammer”

That’s the entire problem, the new summoner doesn’t do ANYTHING with its design brief. I’m not arguing for old SMN back I’m saying new SMN is arguably even more flawed and less like a summoner than old SMN it just hides it behind empty pretty lights. You can think whatever you want about old SMN and how much it did or didn’t reflect the job fantasy of a summoner, it doesn’t mean new SMN is an sort of base to work off and not just a flawed pile of nothingness

Adding more primals doesn’t fix summoner because the primals don’t DO anything, they are glorified raidwides. Like literally if the primal didn’t appear on the screen for 3 seconds you could rename the job elementalancer and nobody would even dispute it. But to make the summons actual useable entities then you have to consider pets again. I’m not advocating for egis but a summoner who spawns primals just to do a raidwide and aspect their ruin 3 casts is a pretty poor summoner.

All basically adds up to new summoner not being any closer to a good summoner than old summoner but being a hell of a lot more boring

your saying your happy with this continueless thread of having ifirit, garuda and titan being only real summons you have call that summoner i call that a joke you getting upset at fact that what summoners do thats what they always done. they come out do damage use there abilities they disappear there not perminate pets rightfully so there taxing on caster to keep out. sense then final fantasy first release in final fantasy 3 you summon they do big aoe damage and disappear that is how it is. how should be and in fact end of time respect tradition of the bloody job

This is not warlock from wow. or copyright infridgement mage its a final fantasy summoner job. i do not respect its traditions then it shouldnt be called summoner point blank and simple all damage caused by summon-er job should come from there pets. you only lightly assist dont get a big rotation while your pet is out. plan and simple i am fine with 1 2 rotation with a dot or 2 but summons should always be main thing with summoner. not making summoner into blm 2.0


If cant be happy with fact summoner summons stuff then maybe summoner removed from the game have non-pet class spams dots keep everyone happy cause as long that job called summoner - it so post summon stuff

[Supersnow845]

You say “this is how SMN has always been” then your example of a good summoner from 11 doesn’t even work like how you are describing, 11 works way more like permanent pets than glorified raidwides.

And I never said I’m happy with anything, I’m saying current SMN is bad, what post are you reading

[Exmo]

Bit rude tbh

[SieyaM]

It’s “summoner” not “ruin 3 spammer”

That’s the entire problem, the new summoner doesn’t do ANYTHING with its design brief. I’m not arguing for old SMN back I’m saying new SMN is arguably even more flawed and less like a summoner than old SMN it just hides it behind empty pretty lights. You can think whatever you want about old SMN and how much it did or didn’t reflect the job fantasy of a summoner, it doesn’t mean new SMN is an sort of base to work off and not just a flawed pile of nothingness

Adding more primals doesn’t fix summoner because the primals don’t DO anything, they are glorified raidwides. Like literally if the primal didn’t appear on the screen for 3 seconds you could rename the job elementalancer and nobody would even dispute it. But to make the summons actual useable entities then you have to consider pets again. I’m not advocating for egis but a summoner who spawns primals just to do a raidwide and aspect their ruin 3 casts is a pretty poor summoner.

All basically adds up to new summoner not being any closer to a good summoner than old summoner but being a hell of a lot more boring

Have you played any FF before 13? Summons for the majority of the series have been wide spread high damage magic. It wasn't until fairly recently in the series that they took on more of a permanent pet approach.

[Supersnow845]

Have you played any FF before 13? Summons for the majority of the series have been wide spread high damage magic. It wasn't until fairly recently in the series that they took on more of a permanent pet approach.

Yes and I don’t think that either approach is wrong or right. Why should the older approach be used just because it’s older. Like it’s basically 3 4 5 and 9 versus 10 11 12 with 14 employing both designs throughout its history and 16 kinda straddling both but leaning towards 10 11 and 12

I don’t really thing you can point to a definitive identity of SMN either way by just saying “look at what it was like in the past”

Especially since the arguable most iconic summoner in the series is yuna and yuna is very much the pet style permanent summon, not the “do a magic attack and disappear”

[0blivion]

FFX' summons are the best tbh, we should absolutely just have trance for all the summons.