Limit housing bids for FCs

[BloodiedTongues]

I think FC's that represent more active people should in fact get more votes, as more people will benefit from having the house.

System is working as intended. FC's more deserving of a house and in a greater need that can positively benefit more people, can provide more lotto entries.

Whilst I understand where you're coming from, I have to disagree. FC's having more active members in the 20-100 range doesn't make them entitled to a plot, especially when they can sway the voting system by using their numbers. There are many Free Companies that already have a property and just decide to move constantly and bulk up the entries with their members. There are plenty of small free companies with the same activity, but they can't pull together up to 1500Mil in Gil to sway the bid.

I don't fully agree with the soft pity system others have mentioned because it can be abused, but it is a nice idea in theory. Regardless, it is unfair to have your own active FC of a few people who are on regularly, or an RP based FC who'll host events etc at the property, just for the chance to even win it be dwindled to nothing because night-club FC #100 takes up the spot

[Crafoutis]

Whilst I understand where you're coming from, I have to disagree. FC's having more active members in the 20-100 range doesn't make them entitled to a plot, especially when they can sway the voting system by using their numbers. There are many Free Companies that already have a property and just decide to move constantly and bulk up the entries with their members. There are plenty of small free companies with the same activity, but they can't pull together up to 1500Mil in Gil to sway the bid.

I don't fully agree with the soft pity system others have mentioned because it can be abused, but it is a nice idea in theory. Regardless, it is unfair to have your own active FC of a few people who are on regularly, or an RP based FC who'll host events etc at the property, just for the chance to even win it be dwindled to nothing because night-club FC #100 takes up the spot

To be clear, I did not say that more populace FC's are entitled to a plot. What I am saying is that the will of a greater amount of people should come with proportional representation.

An FC of 100 people would benefit far more from an FC of 1 person, which by very nature of the lottery system, permits the 100 person FC to use their collective resources to gain a proportional representation.

Proportional representation of the majority does not equal Entitlement, which implies it is owed to them by right. It is not owed to them by right, however, they should have the lottery entry rights of 100 people, and so they do.

[BloodiedTongues]

To be clear, I did not say that more populace FC's are entitled to a plot. What I am saying is that the will of a greater amount of people should come with proportional representation.

An FC of 100 people would benefit far more from an FC of 1 person, which by very nature of the lottery system, permits the 100 person FC to use their collective resources to gain a proportional representation.

Proportional representation of the majority does not equal Entitlement, which implies it is owed to them by right. It is not owed to them by right, however, they should have the lottery entry rights of 100 people, and so they do.

I mean… not really? Regardless of the free company size both of them would benefit from having the house, it doesn’t really matter about sizing. I think it’s unfair that regardless of an fc size bids can be swayed so heavily. Usually, it’s not even by a free company who needs a house, they usually already have a property and then just moving. There are so many free companies who just buy out plots and then move, it’s just kind of unfair. I don’t think the amount of people who are active in a free company should be able to sway the bid. You could have an FC which is filled with 100 people who are active every day, but having all 100 of those people bid on one house just feels wrong. Especially on plots that allow not just free companies but also individuals to bid

[Crafoutis]

I think we can sensibly agree that something benefiting 100 people is of far greater net worth than something that only benefits one person.

[s32ialx]

To be clear, I did not say that more populace FC's are entitled to a plot. What I am saying is that the will of a greater amount of people should come with proportional representation.

An FC of 100 people would benefit far more from an FC of 1 person, which by very nature of the lottery system, permits the 100 person FC to use their collective resources to gain a proportional representation.

Proportional representation of the majority does not equal Entitlement, which implies it is owed to them by right. It is not owed to them by right, however, they should have the lottery entry rights of 100 people, and so they do.

FC Size Should NOT Influence Housing Bids
The housing lottery system should be based on fairness, not Free Company size. A large roster doesn't mean high activity, and smaller FCs often contribute far more per member.

For example, the FC "her" on Behemoth has only 14 members but earned 5.9 million company credits in one week, ranking #1 on the server. Meanwhile, an FC with 183 members ranked #11 with just 1.89 million credits. This proves that activity matters more than headcount.

Allowing large FCs to sway housing bids, especially when some use alt accounts or mass bidding tactics, unfairly blocks smaller, active groups from even having a chance. The system should treat all FCs equally, regardless of size, and reward genuine participation.

Bigger FCs also tend to be more impersonal, with many members not even knowing each other. Smaller FCs often have stronger bonds and use housing more meaningfully, for events, crafting, and community.

Housing should reflect community, not just numbers.

[Crafoutis]

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Housing should reflect community, not just numbers.

community
/kə-myoo͞′nĭ-tē/
noun
A group of people living in the same locality and under the same government.
The district or locality in which such a group lives.
A group of people having common interests



An individual should not have the same leverage as a group.

[s32ialx]

community
/kə-myoo͞′nĭ-tē/
noun
A group of people living in the same locality and under the same government.
The district or locality in which such a group lives.
A group of people having common interests



An individual should not have the same leverage as a group.

That's a textbook definition, and it's a good starting point. But in the context of Final Fantasy XIV, "community" means something far more dynamic and personal.

In Eorzea, a community isn't just a group of people who happen to share a server. It's the Free Company that stays up late helping each other clear savage raids. It's the linkshell that throws impromptu glam contests in Limsa. It's the small FC that earns millions of company credits not because they're big, but because they're bonded.

So when housing systems or game mechanics favor raw numbers over meaningful interaction, it misses the point. A real community is built on shared goals, mutual respect, and active participation, not just headcount.

If someone's trying to reduce "community" to a static definition, they're overlooking the heart of what makes FFXIV special. I'm not just arguing for fairness, I'm defending the soul of the game.

[Crafoutis]

If you can systemically quantify that, then you're on the right path to being able to design a robust system that will be able to be used for players to acquire housing plots.

But if we're talking feelings, soul, intuition, and whatnot, then I'm afraid that's not sufficient for this discussion.

[BloodiedTongues]

I still think limiting the bids to 1-2 per FC per plot is the fairer approach. I'm sorry, but if there's such a significant discrepancy in fairness in the lotto, then what is the point in putting in a bid at all if an entire FC bids? And will it ever actually benefit all 100 of those people who may not even be participating in the FC aside from getting a room in there?

[JoyfulSong]

So my FC is at gil cap. We're actually about to be there twice, out of sheer spite, because we keep losing bids. We've got a lot of omnicrafters. We've worked hard to earn this gil, and we've been hyper-vigilant about bidding on FC only plots in hopes of grabbing up a plot and freeing up our current one for someone to use. We're 40-60 people, depending on how badly Square Enix decides to make their expansions. There have been points where we've bid on FC exclusive plots (we won't bid on personal/FC combos out of principle–) with 25-30 tickets and STILL SOMEHOW LOST to Suzy Subs-a-lot and her 5 man FC (mostly made of the world's most obvious alts.) Months will go by and nothing will be done with the plot, time passes, and those of us playing the game through massive content droughts get to watch the whole thing rot.

At what point are big, active FCs supposed to cater to someone who grabbed a bunch of their alts and decided to make a group just to bid on a large that's mostly empty to begin with? How is that fair to the people who've put in the effort? Why punish bigger groups of people just because you can't get the numbers out to place more bids?
There are people out there with 1 man, 2 man, 5 man FCs and you're out here pointing blame at people with the time, effort, and money to place multiple bids? You're ON MATEUS – I know you know about Main Ward 12 of the Goblet – and here you are pointing the finger at people who have put in significant effort to get the resources needed to put out multiple bids?

Bananas, op.