Here we go again

[AmiableApkallu]

I get the idea of wanting ever-increasing difficulty, but who or what is to say what that limit is?

Well, if it were me…

• In terms of speed and precision of execution, I'd aim for Shadowbringers.
• In terms of amount of logical reasoning required, I'd aim for Shadowbringers through Dawntrail (I dont think they're significantly different here).

But that first point hints at the core issue here: When SE has limited mechanics to essentially being "dodge the AoE" or "ride the knockback", that leaves them with very few levers for controlling how "engaging" content is. Comparing EW to DT, it is in fact just one lever: make things go fast. But that's not the same as making dungeons more interesting; it just means you're busier.

[Mana_Azir]

Well, if it were me…

• In terms of speed and precision of execution, I'd aim for Shadowbringers.
• In terms of amount of logical reasoning required, I'd aim for Shadowbringers through Dawntrail (I dont think they're significantly different here).

But that first point hints at the core issue here: When SE has limited mechanics to essentially being "dodge the AoE" or "ride the knockback", that leaves them with very few levers for controlling how "engaging" content is. Comparing EW to DT, it is in fact just one lever: make things go fast. But that's not the same as making dungeons more interesting; it just means you're busier.

Dont think ShB would be enough either considering we had people back then complaining about doing all 3 versions ranjit's fight and that later on got adjustments. Dungeon wise the first set of dungeons also had their issues of complaints as well "being too stressful"...

[wereotter]

When ARR and Heavensward were new, it wasn't unheard of to wipe to dungeon bosses. They've been making the game steadily easier (as well as players have been getting steadily better at the game) for the past 10-ish years. Yoshi-P stated outright that his goal this expansion was to slowly increase the game's challenge since it was his opinion that the game felt less rewarding to players when every dungeon can be cleared without much difficult the first time you see it.

The second boss is definitely tougher than a lot of the others we've seen for a while, so I can sympathize with OP on the learning curve for this boss. But I promise it's doable

[Volgia]

Yeah a bunch of messages got deleted, unsure what happened though, last time I checked we weren't being rude to each other or anything....

[ASkellington]

Yeah a bunch of messages got deleted, unsure what happened though, last time I checked we weren't being rude to each other or anything....

Perhaps its due to how unrelated to the topic it is which... honestly this thread should've been locked well before it got to page 7. OP came to the forums, got people to help clear.

[BlisteringFrost]

I can only imagine why.

[Argantaelle]

Being an older gamer, been playing since ff14 came out, Meso Terminal is unplayable for me on the 4 bosses that chain to you encounter due to the dodge mechanics firing to quickly.It would be nice to have a easier mode choice when doing it with the npc's to "progress thru the story"(...)

As far as I remember, when I did the Mothercrystal trial with NPCs, I had two additional "lives" as a buff. It would be great if the trust dungeons implemented the same system as the Mothercrystal trial.

P.S. I apologise if this suggestion has been mentioned earlier; I just have no time to read all 51 pages.

[Trevski]

I feel like one day after the patch launches and you haven't really had much time to learn/commit new things to mind isn't enough time.

It is okay to be a bit slower when picking up mechanics, everyone has fights that are like that for them. I wouldn't stress about being 'older', but rather 'newer', as in 'newer' to the fight.