Here we go again

[PharisHanasaki]

And you have clearly focused so much energy on telling people how wrong they are you missed the entire point of the thread, which is that what is being put in the game in DT is not working for a large percent of the casual base that previously didn't have these problems.

It is easy to ignore a change in difficulty causing problems if you just tunnel on blaming the people affected by it.

Do you have a link to actual statistics?
If there is a large percent of casuals struggling I'm sure we'd know by now.
So far I see maybe 4 or 5 people repeatedly complaining.

If they spent the time they take to write the same arguments over and over again learning the mechanics, they've gotten better already.
But that's harder than complaining.

[ASkellington]

This whole thing spiraled because people are underneath the assumption that Trusts are the easy mode.

They aren't. And have never been.

I would prefer Trusts to be the EZ mode to allow for normal dungeons to actually be difficult but that's another argument altogether.

Trusts were made for the single fact that Final Fantasy titles are single player games and most people who would play them are turned off by FFXI and FFXIV because they're MMOs. And rather than accept this the dev team in their infinite wisdom decided to make Trusts for those players who want to play alone.

What this boils down to:

• Trusts are the exact same difficulty as normal dungeons. As intended.
• Trusts have the exact same mechanics as normal dungeons.
• Trust AI are lacking in certain abilities (AOEs, Raises, Mitigations) to keep group content both relevant and the preferred choice.

The Trust system likely will never become a true easy mode either, though why astounds me. Its not that hard to remove certain mechanics from normal to make it easier.

And to the crowd that says "well if a person goes to normal content they'll be blindsided by mechanics that weren't present" I say that's literally how EX and Savage works.

[LegendWait]

How is this thread still going on, took the granny who posted this less then 3 real hours to come back and tell that she managed to do it.

[AlienDiplomat]

If someone posted a thread on a restaurant forum talking about how the decision to add carolina reaper sauce to every dish was making the food more difficult for the majority to digest, and was taking away from the enjoyment of the product, neither the few reaper fans claiming it wasn't even spicy and people just had to "practice suppressing their gag reflex" nor some of the unsatisfied customers managing to eventually choke it down would change the fact that the general sentiment is indicative of a real problem the company would be foolish to ignore.

[ViinaS]

If someone posted a thread on a restaurant forum talking about how the decision to add carolina reaper sauce to every dish was making the food more difficult for the majority to digest, and was taking away from the enjoyment of the product, neither the few reaper fans claiming it wasn't even spicy and people just had to "practice suppressing their gag reflex" nor some of the unsatisfied customers managing to eventually choke it down would change the fact that the general sentiment is indicative of a real problem the company would be foolish to ignore.

This is getting so dumb now.
This is not "Carolina Reaper Sauce"
This is a bit of Salt and Pepper.

[AlienDiplomat]

This is getting so dumb now.
This is not "Carolina Reaper Sauce"
This is a bit of Salt and Pepper.

"It's not spicy to ME. You're dumb if you're allergic to pepper or don't like salt. -I- think it tastes fine." /humblebrag

Clearly the customer is always wrong. Thanks for letting the devs off easy. I know they worked so hard to give us the Shakespearean story arc in Dawn Trail, they can't be asked to create multiple difficulty modes for normal players and the literal gods of awesomeness walking among us mere jealous mortals. If only my parse could compare.

[MetaBoi]

That is exactly what is supposed to happen. You are supposed to learn a fight and not sleepwalk through it.
That is true in any MMO.

That is true in most games, even the coziest, easiest games get more complex as you sink more time into it. Stardew Valley is a cozy game but as you play the game gets more complex and harder. Now there is a mine, now there is a collection based area with unique rewards. Now you have enough money to have an animal and now there is their upkeep. And the games gives you tools and knowledge to deal with it. Now you have sprinklers to auto water your crops. Now you have auto-feeders for your animals and so on.

FFXIV during Endwalker (to some extent even Shadowbringers) gave more tools to players without challenging them. But now in Dawntrail the challenge increases to a more appropriate level to match the tools we're given and knowledge that the game has trying to impart us. I hate that the game doesn't teach us how to play our jobs or the common tactics players use (CD cycling for tanks, when to AoE, etc.) however from HW (if I remember correctly) they have been showing us that some tells are environmental and orange danger zones can show up late, not for you to react but for to show "This place was dangerous, can you figure out why the next time you see it?". And they're generally consistent with their tells. Rarely a boss raises their sword left but attacks their behind. Or something that shows up later just randomly activates first.

[FlorineC]

I'm genuinely confused about what people are finding difficult about this dungeon compared to other dungeons. I've seen a lot of people say they found it hard because it was "too fast," but what was too fast? Like what mechanic specifically was tripping you up? And how many times did you try it before giving up? I ask this without judgment, I just want to understand that perspective.

Edit: Also were you playing with Trusts or other players? Or did you try both, and if so how did the experience differ?

[Boblawblah]

But this, this is about people saying at LEVEL 100!! (get that into your skull already) they can't do basic mechanics we saw many times before in base content like dungeons.

I can prove that level 100 means nothing. I have a level 100 Reaper, but because I haven't played in months, I couldn't even tell you the name of a single skill. Sure, it won't take me long to get back to a basic rotation, but if I had to do the new dungeons right now, I'd be pressing random buttons and hoping for the best.

Also, no need to be nasty, try being kind for a change.

[PharisHanasaki]

I can prove that level 100 means nothing. I have a level 100 Reaper, but because I haven't played in months, I couldn't even tell you the name of a single skill. Sure, it won't take me long to get back to a basic rotation, but if I had to do the new dungeons right now, I'd be pressing random buttons and hoping for the best.

Also, no need to be nasty, try being kind for a change.

But that's not a gameplay issue, is it? (genuinely asking).
I came back a week earlier after an 8 month break because I knew I was under-geared and pretty rusty. Got to i740 before patch, and had refreshed enough to finish the msq and get back on savage.
I am nowhere near my previous level, but I was fully conscious that I was not going to do great if I re-subbed on patch day.

Coming back from long break and being able to clear the content in one try would actually be concerning.