Same communication & speculation mistakes?

[Azurymber]

I understand the whole "secrecy" thing, but now that they can show gameplay and the game is near alpha stages, it really needs to stop.


SE has tried the whole "secrecy" thing before, and it has only brought them trouble.

When open beta was out, people thought that the game was only a quarter of what they would get on official release. If you go back and look at the old forum posts on zam you will see people claiming there will be new classes, twice or three times as many zones (there was a close zone near every atheryte crystal and people thought they would instantly be opened to actual zones, not instances), much cooler looking equipment, a reduction in lag because they were only using 'test servers', and various other things that never came true.

No surprise, when the game was released in the same state as open beta a ton of people quickly rage quit and gave the game incredibly low ratings.

Then the -exact- same thing happened with the first few patches, people speculated that ishgard would open up by christmas, lag would be fixed etc. Once again, disappointment and people quitting.

Then when Yoshi-P took over the -same- thing happened once again.

And now, for what is probably the 4th or 5th time, it is happening again.

By being vague, Yoshi-P is creating rumors and speculation
And when people speculate they generate expectations
And when expectations are not met, most people experience disappointment

[SynysterBlitz]

You're basing this all of speculation... /facepalm..

maybe you should just wait for 2.0 and see the changes first hand before you speculate..

SE is giving out tons of info through interviews etc, and the gameplay presentation imo was great.. they sure let me know they are trying to improve this game..

so please explain all this secrecy.. cause your ranting about something that isn't even released yet..

[Jennestia]

You're basing this all of speculation... /facepalm..

maybe you should just wait for 2.0 and see the changes first hand before you speculate..

We've waited a long time so more waiting isn't hard, however, they also promised a large promotional campaign to begin in middle of August (now) and they're still being reserved about things. Why wait till 2013? They can post their own videos and screenshots to the main website -- they can write their own articles.

Remember the pre-launch party? It didn't take them that long to write out their own information about FFXIV and it's future.

[SynysterBlitz]

We've waited a long time so more waiting isn't hard, however, they also promised a large promotional campaign to begin in middle of August (now) and they're still being reserved about things. Why wait till 2013? They can post their own videos and screenshots to the main website -- they can write their own articles.

Remember the pre-launch party? It didn't take them that long to write out their own information about FFXIV and it's future.

So all this gameplay presentations and new art designs and Yoshi being interviewed by many gaming sites etc, isn't promoting?

Like what do you guys want? a commercial that plays a million times a day?? Clearly SE knows what they are doing.. they made a big mistake with initial launch but I am sure they know where they stand this time around..

[Jennestia]

So all this gameplay presentations and new art designs and Yoshi being interviewed by many gaming sites etc, isn't promoting?

This is basic stuff they could have shown off ever since they stated they completed the 2.0 client earlier this year -- It's not promotion because even SE themselves said they wouldn't release their own videos and so on which is the exact opposite of promoting your game.

You're fine with bare minimum, that's ok -- however the general population expected a lot more given the amount of hype people were given and this isn't exactly living up to it. Remember these: "All Summer Long" and "Flood of information starting with Gamescom", so no it's doing all that they could be doing. The only mistake made with 2010's launch was releasing it way before it was done, not promoting the game.

[Punainen]

So all this gameplay presentations and new art designs and Yoshi being interviewed by many gaming sites etc, isn't promoting?

Like what do you guys want? a commercial that plays a million times a day?? Clearly SE knows what they are doing.. they made a big mistake with initial launch but I am sure they know where they stand this time around..

I just want something where I don't have to get it through third party sources. All the information they're giving out is to people have have money and time enough to attend conventions (in other countries even), and as for the rest of us, they're hush-hush and only let us find out what attendees happen to record and give to the rest of us.

[Kaizlu]

I just want something where I don't have to get it through third party sources. All the information they're giving out is to people have have money and time enough to attend conventions (in other countries even), and as for the rest of us, they're hush-hush and only let us find out what attendees happen to record and give to the rest of us.

^^^ This

If it wasn't for shaky cellphone (most likely) cameras we wouldn't know about the video presentation.
If it wasn't for some guy playing around the website we wouldn't know about Summoner and Arcanist.
Then there's the beta sign up thing, some people are saying that they signed up on the EU conventions, yet SE (as far as I can remember) hasn't said anything about it.

And of course, this is only the start of their big "flood" of information, who knows what other crazy decisions will SE take.

If you are a fan of FF or any Square Enix game this should not be something you are unfamiliar with. Square are the worst for it but it is an industry wide problem. Developers fear us, we can be the harshest of critics. The internet is full of haters and trolls and those people always shout the loudest. I'll leave this article here which I think is very relevant to this. I know it's from Kotaku but trust me for once this is an excellent read.

http://kotaku.com/5928663/gamings-bi...-wants-to-talk

I'm confused. Kotaku is part of the whole "OMG ENTITLED GAMERS ARE RUINING THE INDUSTRY" group, yet they're publishing an article that's asking for *more* than what the game companies are giving us? I tend to avoid giving them clicks but lol at that post.

[Phe]

yeah wait.
everyone wait.
because we waited not long enough yet.
i only know this game is losing me for the ~10th time playing FF7 on PC atm.

i feel like doing some merits in bibiki bay tho.

[Hyrist]

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There needs to be away to downvote a player's ability to post new topics to the point where they are disabled from doing so, or erase their threads from the thread listing when placed on ignore.

I have Rokien and Azurymber both on my ignore list, yet, when I go into the general discussion section there are no fewer than 3 topics by them on the listing.

They're on my ignore list, I shouldn't have to see the thread they make. Their incessant thread making is the very issue I put them on ignore to begin with. They can effectively troll the entire forum this way without punishment.

This really is a pox on the forum community.

[Duelle]

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There needs to be away to downvote a player's ability to post new topics to the point where they are disabled from doing so, or erase their threads from the thread listing when placed on ignore.

I have Rokien and Azurymber both on my ignore list, yet, when I go into the general discussion section there are no fewer than 3 topics by them on the listing.

They're on my ignore list, I shouldn't have to see the thread they make. Their incessant thread making is the very issue I put them on ignore to begin with. They can effectively troll the entire forum this way without punishment.

This really is a pox on the forum community.

Report them and move on. Especially in the case of Rokien, all those threads do is try to rile up people. I know at least one of his threads got deleted after it was reported, so might as well give that a try.