Thread: 7.3 Unreal Vent

Originally Posted by Dillon0_o

But there's just one mechanic I can't stand—and I refuse to go back into it because of this: that BS enrage near the end, the 0.2% health-left wipe.

Those "BS enrages" are quite literally the only reason DPS jobs have any relevancy. Without an enrage, you could just stack tanks to guarantee your success through attrition.

I agree that the enrage in Suzaku wasn't fun. It's an outlier from all the other Unreals we've had, where even completely flawless parties seemed to mostly kill it during the enrage phase. This didn't even happen when I did in Stormblood, where lots of kills were long before enrage even with deaths. It varied depending on the party and it was likely due to it being release in the second patch of the tier, where some people just had REALLY good gear. You don't get a gear advantage in Unreal because it's virtually Minimum Item Level synced.

I haven't done Seiryu unreal yet, but I have done it for years in Min Item Level parties and it's the kind of fight I can teach to a fresh party and usually clear it. It's one of the few MINE parties I jump in for fun because there's a realistic prospect to clear a fresh party as a RDM. It does have some mechanics that can be a tough prog, but there's just more leeway with them, so I've been expecting to have an easier time with this one. Nevertheless, the "potentially tough" mechanics have concerned me a little in the event they made the enrage overly tight like with Suzaku, so I'll have to see.

I agree that the enrage on Byakko was incredibly lenient, but I think the context is just that it's one of the easiest extremes in the entire game. I cleared it in 3 pulls in Stormblood and I think in 2 for Unreal. It's almost literally just "oh I should have stood there for that", "oh I should use this CD for that and Provoke after", so it just ends up a few pull prog where mistakes can be healed through.

In contrast, if the fight itself is a rough prog, a tight enrage can put people off and that's normal for a Savage fight, but not really for Extremes. Usually when an Extreme is "current" the enrage isn't even tight. Take Zalenia for example - I had gone weeks not even seeing its enrage cast a single time despite lots of deaths, while Suzaku we were just barely scraping by. It didn't make sense that a current Extreme had a more trivial enrage than old content that is widely treated as people's first step into high-end content and is synced accordingly.

It's not normal, it's meant to have an enrage.

It's an upscaled extreme.

Enrage timers exist to prevent things like stacking Tanks and playing a war of attrition.

They also exist so fights don't drag out forever as they usually only have a set amount of mechanics in their script.


They're also a fundamental part of MMO's... I went in with my friends and some PF. We had multiple deaths and some damage downs and still beat the enrage (it's not because of gear either because downscaled to 695)


Compared to Suzaku - This fight is much easier and way more fun.

You can do it, just keep truckin' on.