Thread: 7.3 Unreal Vent

Don’t a lot of ‘normal’ difficulty fights technically have enrages too? It’s just that the bar to pass it is generally so low you’ll never be in the danger zone anyway? It’s not like they’re a new thing.

Even as someone who hasn’t done savage since like, Deltascape floor 1&2 (longboi dragon and eyeball) it was always a given that a fight would probably have some form of ‘enrage’.

Not to say that it always being there makes it ‘correct’ or ‘ideal’ design. But aren’t enrages also overcome mostly passively by improving gear anyway? I always figured they used them because you can either surpass early them with ‘skill’, or by ‘preparation’ by getting the absolute best gear and melds and whatever beforehand. The latter takes longer but means even those who struggle can still have a chance

Originally Posted by Connor

Don’t a lot of ‘normal’ difficulty fights technically have enrages too? It’s just that the bar to pass it is generally so low you’ll never be in the danger zone anyway? It’s not like they’re a new thing.

Even as someone who hasn’t done savage since like, Deltascape floor 1&2 (longboi dragon and eyeball) it was always a given that a fight would probably have some form of ‘enrage’.

Not to say that it always being there makes it ‘correct’ or ‘ideal’ design. But aren’t enrages also overcome mostly passively by improving gear anyway? I always figured they used them because you can either surpass early them with ‘skill’, or by ‘preparation’ by getting the absolute best gear and melds and whatever beforehand. The latter takes longer but means even those who struggle can still have a chance

There are a few in the alliance raids(first boss in dun scaith comes to mind - fight goes too long and all 8 squares are dangerous to the death cast). In normal trials bismark will eventually break the island, and ravanna will eventually smash all the walls(anti-knockback would still save you, and... if you line up directly with a pillar does that work? do the pillars stand and block? not sure). There are also a couple more who add damage+ at the end of their cycle, so if you let them drag forever they become unhealable. But normal-difficulty enrages are pretty rare overall.

Hmm did we play the same unreal? This is HEAPS better than the last one. We had like 10 deaths and still cleared... on the first attempt... blind. It's nearly as easy as the normal mode version TBH. The last one, Suzaku, on the other hand is a nasty snapshot-fest with ultra strict DPS check that if get 2 deaths, it's a near enrage.

So not sure where this is coming from.

Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Those "BS enrages" are quite literally the only reason DPS jobs have any relevancy. Without an enrage, you could just stack tanks to guarantee your success through attrition.

people that have a basic understanding of pressing their buttons can most likely clear the content with 8 tanks

I loved Seiryu EX, better than watching people get hard stuck vs the adds in P1 Suzaku.

Originally Posted by NightHour

Enrage timers exist to prevent things like stacking Tanks and playing a war of attrition.

I think that is the actually the more fun aspect, to play the game in weird ways. As enrage timers are basically a reinforcement of dancefight choreography and proper burst windows.

Which is for two different camps of raiders. Those that want to experiment and those that want rote memorization.

Originally Posted by Chasingstars

I think that is the actually the more fun aspect, to play the game in weird ways. As enrage timers are basically a reinforcement of dancefight choreography and proper burst windows.

Which is for two different camps of raiders. Those that want to experiment and those that want rote memorization.

An enrage timer doesnt prevent experimentation. It just puts pressure on it. Being unkillable isnt enough, you need to deal sufficient damage as well. Several ultimates have been beaten by non-standard comps(tank only, etc). Im pretty sure this can be too. So experiment away.