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    Sunie Dakwhil
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    Twintania
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    Just a reminder: I played about three full seasons of ranked Crystalline Conflict after the old Secure was removed.
    I also played a lot of casual CC back during the Seize and Onsal Hakair days.
    That said, I want to make it clear: I don’t like the current changes either.

    I'm not going to dive too deeply into your choice of using Raiju to support your argument as that's your personal approach.
    If you want to spend 5,000 MP just to Purify a 1-second Raiju stun, that's your decision.
    Personally, I don’t think it’s a good trade.

    My main argument is that this change hurts melee jobs more in PvP (considering both Crystalline Conflict and Frontline) because most melee crowd control tools are soft CC.
    These abilities typically serve as anchors, helping to stop targets (especially ranged jobs) from constantly kiting or running away.

    I’m not sure how many PvP jobs you’ve actually played, but I encourage you to try Samurai (I don't play it in PvP this expansion myself).
    Let me know if you can reliably land Ogi Namikiri without using Mineuchi first.
    Most melees rely on that soft CC just to get a chance at engaging properly.
    It’s simply not on the same level as hard CC like Silence or other forms of CC that can't be cleansed by Purify.
    These recent changes make melee jobs burn through MP much faster, which directly impacts their survivability
    Raiju is like any stun or silence, in CC if you need to get out of dodge immediately else you get oneshot, you purify, period. You just need to keep in mind that a second one is probably coming not long after when your purify expires (so 2s after which is nothing), and potentially a third if you're playing against min maxers.

    And I strictly disagree with your arbitrary separation between melee and range CC, that's just pure nonsense to me. They all have it in equal measures, no matter the type.

    I have played Samurai pretty extensively, although not at ranked level, but I do know the job well. You don't need Mineuchi to land Ogi or any cast no. The range is huge, and you also have an AoE bind at disposal which is usually a savvier choice to have the target purify it so that you can stun them after, especially after eating your first wave of damage before they recup out of it. I think you reason way too much with a FL mindset there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Exmo View Post
    If you find you are getting targeted, it only takes a few seconds to purify, heal and retreat. Again, unless you stuck your neck out too far.
    That's... not how it works in CC past a certain level, especially versus stuns or silences that disallow guarding without purifying.

    FL comment then, nevermind me
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    Last edited by Valence; 08-12-2025 at 09:00 PM.