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[Mawlzy]

Nah. It didn't "nail" it. It was just as oblivious and tone-deaf as I pointed out.

1. No one else here is spending hours typing essays. Your exaggeration is blatant. If they don't have time to spend engaging, get out.

2. If he, you, or anyone would have looked me up, you could easily see that ive been in statics and after clearing, pf'ed on my own time. The only ones who can't seem to understand the topic must be those who themselves dont participate in statics to see those outcomes are random as well. Everyone here sees that pf is consistent, but consistently bad except maybe some who (as mentioned) are oblivious and probably play like that as well.

3. You said i didnt want random outcomes. Apparently, the topic is about consistently bad outcomes, and it went right over the pea-brained, oops, i mean "one-liner-brained" heads. Try again

I'm starting to suspect there are soft-skill issues scuppering your success in PF.

[Starrya]

I'm starting to suspect there are soft-skill issues scuppering your success in PF.

I think B3nzyme was probably still just irritated from wishing PF was better (who doesn't?), and brought some of that with them to the forums. I took their advice about looking them up and went through some of their past forum posts, and it was actually kind of neat. Along with some random posts here and there, I got a little story, first them getting blindsided by the 1 per week loot rules in alliance raids and asking about raiding lingo and how to deal with mechanics while they were getting into the game. There were some posts appreciating people who had helped them on the forums, and a few posts claiming they would become a strong player at this game in time (which obviously happened), and even some attempts at de-escalation on posts that exploded, eventually getting to this burnout post here.

It's not hard to understand why they would come to this forum that has helped them in the past, seek that help again, and then be irritated when met with a cynical, unhelpful quip at their expense. Could the response have been better? Sure. I think choosing to engage with the helpful people and just ignore the chaff is usually correct, but when you're fried that can be hard to do. Every community has its problems, but this is the one we've got. We should make the most of it.

[Mawlzy]

And while we are at it, can we get rid of these people trying these one-liners?

Never going to happen, honey.

[Volgia]

I would just adjust my expectations, PF can get very frustrating especially later in the tier. I like to hop in C41s after getting my BiS to help people out, and it's less of going through the motions and more help my community somehow.

[Starrya]

PF is a tough subject to breach, because there are some hard pills to swallow. I think the first thing to do when talking about it is to take a step back and remember that PF is a privilege we haven't always had. Until 3.5, there was no cross-world party. Statics were expected for savage content. While it is a good thing that is no longer the case, it is a give and take. The lower they make the barrier for entry, the more people that can join in on PF. The more people trying PF, the lower the consistency will be.

Even something like making players defeat the Stone, Sky, Sea dummy for a high end fight before being able to enter denies that player the ability to try out hard content before being forced to put a lot of time and resources into something they don't even know they'll like. It makes it so that groups who want to show their new friend what savage is like can't just queue them in. It comes with a lot of costs. In fact, they did force a dps check in the HW savages and everybody hated it.

Even if the reason you can't get a static is due to time constraints, that can hurt your PF experience as well. Getting reclears on Tuesday is a vastly different experience than doing reclears on Monday. As much as it stinks, you have to accept that if you don't have the ability or willingness to find a static for hard content, you are going to suffer more to get clears. It is miserable to be the player who can do the mechanics waiting on everyone else, but that is precisely the price you pay for not joining a group of similarly skilled individuals in a static.

The one thing I will say they could improve is the PF party filling. I know some of it has to do with groups of less than 8 players wanting to play together, but it is a tragedy to see dozens of groups stuck in PF because they are all fighting each other for the last one or two fills they need.

[Sunhwapark]

how can anybody new to the game and confident in their skills get a clear in current conditions on their own without a group if someone like me who has been in groups/statics and has cleared already cannot do so solo in pf after a week of agony like this and seldom if ever making a mistake to cause a wipe.

Well, I've had the most success doing reclears ASAP on tuesdays - and generally when a new tier comes out I throw myself at it on PF until I get it all done.
Every day that passes for reclears in particular, the general competency expectation drops, and this continues as the tier gets later and later into the patch cycle, since you're left with the majority of people that haven't cleared still.
With PF you are at the mercy of the random party members you get, so it's better to network with the *good* players you've met on PF which means you can at least try to play again together for prog/reclears.

[b3nzyme]

Well, I've had the most success doing reclears ASAP on tuesdays - and generally when a new tier comes out I throw myself at it on PF until I get it all done.
Every day that passes for reclears in particular, the general competency expectation drops, and this continues as the tier gets later and later into the patch cycle, since you're left with the majority of people that haven't cleared still.
With PF you are at the mercy of the random party members you get, so it's better to network with the *good* players you've met on PF which means you can at least try to play again together for prog/reclears.

Yea i did my reclears tuesday and went in to do any-chest reclears, and after spending all of that time in pf feeling bad for the majority of players still stuck in there, decided to say what everyone is thinking but nobody really states out of fear of being called toxic or something silly

[Starrya]

Yea i did my reclears tuesday and went in to do any-chest reclears, and after spending all of that time in pf feeling bad for the majority of players still stuck in there, decided to say what everyone is thinking but nobody really states out of fear of being called toxic or something silly

Like you did at the beginning of your first post, I am going to preface this. I am legitimately interested in trying to help, and not very interested in getting into a flame war (do the kids still use that phrase?), so I apologize if anything below stings, but I need to make a few points.

From what I can see of the posts you've made, this isn't your first rodeo. You know that PF makes your blood boil. You know that statics are better than PF, and were even in one this tier. You know that clearing on Tuesday is important for avoiding as many memes as possible. You know that reclearing is harder near the end of the patch cycle. You know that with no ultimate, any good players that might have still been wandering PF to gear their 2nd or 3rd jobs aren't bothering. Yet, a week before the new patch, you went into PF for enough time to make almost anyone go insane on, what, A Monday?

I'm not one to make quippy one-liners like, "Veteran high-end player does everything wrong in PF. Complains.", but this does appear to be self-inflicted. Even your jabs about how the problem with PF is that it is consistently poor dig a deeper hole. You knew the experience would likely be bad, that you would likely crash out if it was bad enough, and you did it anyway. Surely, you already have everything from this tier, so the question becomes, "why?"

If you're doing it for the love of high-end content, you're doing it in a way that burns you out. I went onto a discord after burning out on current content PF and found a group that wanted to do old savage tiers at MINE. It was awesome. They kept me playing and doing high-end content I never would have gotten to do otherwise. In turn, that refueled me enough to return to PF with a healthier mindset. No one can change what PF is, but you can change how you interact with it.

[Mercury_Grey]

Honestly doing PF with randoms helps me learn new extremes easier then with a group and failing however many times. PLus 99% of PF i get in learning party we all meme and screw around while doing the content. Its like gambling i keep coming back