Paladin needs NO changes!

[Brandr]

A) there exists content where healer is not around, or when is they arent doing a good job.
B) the 4s mit button does not feel very impactful, especially when its gauge based. It would make sense from job fantasy standpoint, resolve from holding your ground and all.
C) other tanks have meaningful/sustainable healing buttons at the level range

Just now had a stone vigil roulette where the healer was running their mp to the ground with cure III and medica, not casting regen at all. Had i not slept mobs when paladin tank died, it would have been wipe.

Everybody complaining the game is too easy and you come here complaining that you had difficult situation... And your party didn't even wipe.
You know, in this same thread there is a main healer player complaining that I said PLD is an immortal slow DPS.

PLD is awesome, but we all know it's not WAR levels of immortality.

This game has the best tanks because we do contribute to the damage, while in many other games we just stand there lifting a shield.

[Supersnow845]

Everybody complaining the game is too easy and you come here complaining that you had difficult situation... And your party didn't even wipe.
You know, in this same thread there is a main healer player complaining that I said PLD is an immortal slow DPS.

PLD is awesome, but we all know it's not WAR levels of immortality.

This game has the best tanks because we do contribute to the damage, while in many other games we just stand there lifting a shield.

Then what’s the problem with doing the same damage profile but replacing healing abilities with agro control abilities

[Carighan]

Then what’s the problem with doing the same damage profile but replacing healing abilities with agro control abilities

Nothing, though there's also no upside, assuming aggro stays trivial like now and healing also stays under-challenged as is. You cannot fix the current overly simplistic healing system on the class side. Those need extensive changes, sure. But first and foremost damage intake to the group needs to be high enough so that healers have a reason to spend much or even the majority of their GCDs on healing, and (ideally) tanks would want spend a significant portion of their GCDs on abilities that reduce damage (note: GCDs!).

Without having that, changes to the classes are pointless. They cannot achieve better gameplay, because the gameplay side of that is missing.

[ThurinTurambar]

Everybody complaining the game is too easy and you come here complaining that you had difficult situation... And your party didn't even wipe.
You know, in this same thread there is a main healer player complaining that I said PLD is an immortal slow DPS.

PLD is awesome, but we all know it's not WAR levels of immortality.

This game has the best tanks because we do contribute to the damage, while in many other games we just stand there lifting a shield.

So how is asking for a more gradual introduction of the core kit a bad thing?

I fancy myself a potd score runner, cleared on both warrior and paladin - despite giving it all, warrior easily did more than 200 more kills than paladin (difference comes in 141-200, before you kill everything on both). PotD scoring on tanks is basicly their aoe/survivability in a vacuum. Where paladin struggles for life, warrior pulls twice as big and barely breaks a sweat.
Why would you want to give sprouts a reason to play paladin when warrior is so much better on lower levels. They are better off just playing that right?