Job Complexity and Difficulty

[YukioKobayashi]

Well, it wouldn't be the first time I've had a higher-skill player tell me I deserve nothing, and the end result would be that I just don't get to play any ranged DPS at all I guess. Though if other vets of other jobs got their way as well, I'm not sure there would be usable DPS jobs left for me period as they slide backwards into... whatever they were before my time. (And since I don't play healer or tank, welp.)

You shouldn't be left with nothing but easy and boring jobs of course, but I shouldn't be left with nothing but hard and complicated ones either, especially when the content its self is already doing its damnedest to skill-check me out of doing most of it that I don't really want my jobs being difficult too.

So one job that caters towards lesser skilled players in each role isnt enough? WAR for Tanks, WHM for Regenheale, SGE for Barrierhealer, DRG for Melees, DNC for Physranged and RDM for Casters isnt enough?
Every big MMORPG has Classes that are not meant to be played by every 2 Finger Johnny on earth except XIV and im seriously getting tired of it. Some Casuals in this game ruin the game for everyone.

While MCH in HW and SB was quite challenging to pull of and not meant to be played by people that dont put the time into it, there were at least 10 other jobs casuals could play.

[Shurrikhan]

So one job that caters towards lesser skilled players in each role isnt enough? WAR for Tanks, WHM for Regenheale, SGE for Barrierhealer, DRG for Melees, DNC for Physranged and RDM for Casters isnt enough?

Why have any do so? They all, in effect, cater to less-skilled players so long as optimizations become increasingly less rewarding (which almost always happens regardless). As long as one can still put in just a small part of the maximum effort for the vast majority of the result, it's already catering plenty.

The only ways to "cater" further towards less-skilled players would require making one job deal every bit as much damage as the hardest, for the average player, to optimize (in which case design --and soon, inadvertently, the community-- will push players away from anything else unless especially skilled, which is inherently not the average player)... or to effectively just say that those "easy" jobs (and by extension the players only comfortable on those jobs) aren't allowed to be competitive for high-end content, period, because they're stuck at only being able to put in 75% of the effort that the other jobs can reward and therefore only some 95% the output, which is apparently enough to bar jobs over. I.e., RIP anyone who enjoys that job's aesthetic but either (A) wants to take its gameplay into further engagement or (B) doesn't want to face discriminatory PF listings.

[Gwenkatsu]

Some Casuals in this game ruin the game for everyone.

You definitely nailed it there. I said it before and I'll say it again: When next I meet my good buddy Yoshi-P I will ask him to ruin the game even more for people like you. And since I'm a casual, he always does what I ask him for. Sucks to be you, but that's the way things are around here.

And back to the topic at hand. I'm playing the game for a couple of years now, and do a lot of roulettes. Not once have I been approached for not playing perfectly. Does this mean that I in fact play perfectly? Or is it just that nobody cares, as long as the job gets done?

[AmiableApkallu]

Like I said before, playing optimally won't remain "optional" and players WILL try and force others into spinning the same number of plates they are on those same jobs, and with the the power to kick/mute/blacklist, there's already tools in place to filter out the sub-optimal at every level.

What unfortunate server or data center do you play on where that actually happens with any sort of regularity?

Maybe I'm just unlucky and always ended up queuing during the times of day/days of the week where the most toxic people were online as well, or maybe its a more prevalent issue on NA data centers (or just Aether and Primal) compared to EU or Crystal.

Ah, the so-called "raid" data center and its backup companion — "raid" as in high-end duties. One might wonder whether that has anything to do with the culture and environment…

Crystal exists. We're still here. Nothing is stopping you from giving it a chance.

[AmiableApkallu]

As for Crystal, I don't RP, so I never had any specific reason to go there compared to doing raids on Aether and PVP on Primal, or just trying to get queues to pop in general. The only time I've visited Crystal is to shop (that's where I ended up buying a lot of the Ivalice orchestration rolls actually) and even then I always make sure I'm dressed modestly so I don't get any strange tells when the best deals are on Balmung, lol.

You seem to have a tragic misunderstanding of the NA DCs.

Just as I (intentionally, I'll admit) blew out of proportion the idea that Primal and Aether are full of nothing but sweaty, try-hard raiders who judge everyone on their parses, the idea that Crystal is filled with nothing but (E)RPers is similarly blown out of proportion.

Walk 50y away from one of the starting city aetherytes, and you're in the clear. At worst, you still might get venue ads in shout chat, but I believe that's endemic to all DCs and worlds.

As a random person on the Internet, I will unironically suggest that you stop paying attention to what random people on the Internet say and, instead... check things out, investigate things for yourself. #Science and all that.