Job Complexity and Difficulty

[Aravell]

Isn't there a middle ground where there is a baseline "script," but the ability of players to interact with the boss beyond chip damage impacts how the fight plays out?

We had that in older fights where CC played a role, but I assume the dev team viewed that as causing conflict in the party (for whatever reason) and removed it. Although we did get a taste of the old encounter design again in M6S adds phase, which is probably why a lot of people say it's too hard.

I think it's the most problematic role atm (with healers), if it was not for that % party composition buff, I bet we wouldn't see a lot of BRD/DNC/MCHs on static groups.

If not for the party % buff, why take a physical ranged job at all when VPR can stack up to over 8 seconds of disengage time and SMN only has 3 casts a minute while also bringing a res?

[Raikai]

Exactly. I mean, there's still value in being ranged, so VPR wouldn't take that spot as it wouldn't be viable for it. But the party composition would end up being BLM + PCT/RDM/SMN.

Phys Ranged needs a new reason to exist other than bringing that party slot buff.

[Kohashi]

As someone who is bad at PvE, I find the encounter design to be very puzzling, particularly in DT.

I have over 2 hotbars of buttons. Why? I mostly use W, S and mouse because I'm trying not to die. I imagine those of you who are good at PvE use more buttons in a set sequence, over and over and over again. Is this interesting to you? I like playing piano occasionally, but in that instance the result is a pleasing sound.

With fight design that boils down to "inflict damage, move somewhere to avoid damage/soak/couple/clap like a seal" you don't need all these buttons, particularly when you're struggling to find the good spot on the floor. The fight would be no more nor less interesting if all you had was one damage button along with W, S and mouse.

Contrast this with PvP. I use all my buttons! I am in constant motion. Every encounter is different. Sometimes I use my buttons in a different order because of the nature of the engagement and am correct to do so. I enjoy PvP and am quite good at it.

Why can't PvE be more like PvP?

You have 2 bars? Lucky you, I got 3 in the least, and most are around 4 full bars that I consistently use in a complete rotation. There is no such thing as pressing 1 button and then trying to find the safe spot. If I do that, the only safe spot that I will find is on the floor.



Also, I am all for the reduction of the button bloat. Having 4 full bars of skills it's pretty stupid.

[Supersnow845]

^i love how half the total icons there are eos auto casting embrace

Otherwise there is 27 buttons there in a 3 minute window not called broil or biolysis and of those 27 4 are chain or baneful, 3 are lucid and another 3 are aetherflow

It really doesn’t present a good picture for SCH who is already the most complex healer by a country mile anyway

[Kohashi]

^i love how half the total icons there are eos auto casting embrace

Otherwise there is 27 buttons there in a 3 minute window not called broil or biolysis and of those 27 4 are chain or baneful, 3 are lucid and another 3 are aetherflow

It really doesn’t present a good picture for SCH who is already the most complex healer by a country mile anyway

What the F are you talking about? Most of those are oGCDs, look at the damn GCDs as well.

[Supersnow845]

What the F are you talking about? Most of those are oGCDs, look at the damn GCDs as well.

Yes I know how to read xiv analysis. Outside of your GCD’s which were overwhelmingly broil and biolysis (there is one adlo, 3 ascensions and concitations, and like 5 ruin 2’s) the overwhelming amount of other actions were eos casting embrace

Casting 27 oGCD’s in 3 minutes when 4 are a raid buff and 6 are “upkeep” for mana and resources really isn’t a lot

So unless your point was “SCH’s gameplay is overwhelmingly casting broil and watching eos cast embrace” I’m not sure what that diagram is meant to represent as all it does is show how vapid SCH’s gameplay is

[Kohashi]

Yes I know how to read xiv analysis. Outside of your GCD’s which were overwhelmingly broil and biolysis (there is one adlo, 3 ascensions and concitations, and like 5 ruin 2’s) the overwhelming amount of other actions were eos casting embrace

Casting 27 oGCD’s in 3 minutes when 4 are a raid buff and 6 are “upkeep” for mana and resources really isn’t a lot

So unless your point was “SCH’s gameplay is overwhelmingly casting broil and watching eos cast embrace” I’m not sure what that diagram is meant to represent as all it does is show how vapid SCH’s gameplay is

Apparently, you don't, yet you continue to argue. I mean, it's no mystery that your "14 years" of playing healers sums up as null at the end.

Do you understand what 40k Heal Per SECOND means? And sure, I do cast Broil because I am expected to contribute to damage.

[Supersnow845]

Apparently, you don't, yet you continue to argue. I mean, it's no mystery that your "14 years" of playing healers sums up as null at the end.

Do you understand what 40k Heal Per SECOND means? And sure, I do cast Broil because I am expected to contribute to damage.

I really really do wonder what comment you are reading

I don’t care what your HPS is. I’m responding to the fact that you responded to someone going “I wish we used our entire kit and it wasn’t so bloated” with a xiv analysis diagram showing you overwhelmingly used broil and watched eos cast embrace. If you were using that to try to show how much your kit is being used then you really missed the mark

All that diagram shows is how bad SCH’s gameplay is

[Kohashi]

I really really do wonder what comment you are reading

I don’t care what your HPS is. I’m responding to the fact that you responded to someone going “I wish we used our entire kit and it wasn’t so bloated” with a xiv analysis diagram showing you overwhelmingly used broil and watched eos cast embrace. If you were using that to try to show how much your kit is being used then you really missed the mark

All that diagram shows is how bad SCH’s gameplay is

Maaan, you are so predictable. You cherry-pick only convenient portions of stuff that you can twist and make fit your utterly stupid, nonsensical narrative.

Do you think I can do 40K Heal per second just sitting afk spamming Broil and letting fairy do the healing? There is no mystery why nobody looks at or takes forums seriously, devs, or mods likewise.

This is so tragic..

[Supersnow845]

Maaan, you are so predictable. You cherry-pick only convenient portions of stuff that you can twist and make fit your utterly stupid, nonsensical narrative.

Do you think I can do 40K Heal per second just sitting afk spamming Broil and letting fairy do the healing? There is no mystery why nobody looks at or takes forums seriously, devs, or mods likewise.

This is so tragic..

We can see what you are doing…….you literally posted the xiv analysis image, and it’s hilarious that it’s still basically all broil and embrace

Like I don’t know why you think you are doing so much more, like you posted the image, we can see what you are doing, it’s right there, it’s overwhelmingly broil and embrace. Your kit is not being adequately used there like your uptime on most healing skills is low how am I twisting the Narrative, again it’s literally right there I don’t know what to tell you

I’m not trying to say you are bad, I’m trying to say that your image isn’t telling the story you think it is