Phoenix Down in 4-Player Content is a Great Idea

[SkankyRoe]

A decision like this cannot be made in a vacuum. Four player instances include Criterion (not Criterion savage because that doesn't allow rezzing period), and Quantum level difficulties which have overlaps with eight player instances. And as we get more, and more types of high end four player fights, job balance needs to be taken a little more seriously in four player fights which then influences eight player fights. Why bring a weaker SMN or any phys ranged into a maxed Quantum fight or even just Criterion prog when you can bring PCT or BLM, and not lose the ability to rez. The ability to raise is no long job or role exclusive so the idea of removing rez from SMN or RDM is no longer as great a threat to their identities. And you just know people will be asking to allow them to use Phoenix Down in eight player fights, and to me to me it is just a matter of when they will allow it.

The slide on the phoenix down changes listed out each type of 4-man content rather than as a general group so I expect the changes will specifically only apply to what was listed. Criterion, Criterion Savage and Quantum were specifically left off of that list, so my guess is that it won't apply to them.

[mallleable]

The slide on the phoenix down changes listed out each type of 4-man content rather than as a general group so I expect the changes will specifically only apply to what was listed. Criterion, Criterion Savage and Quantum were specifically left off of that list, so my guess is that it won't apply to them.

Hmm, right. But it does not say they will be excluded however. Should probably wait for the digest. Still gonna watch how this plays out with morbid curiosity.

[XtremePrime]

This is probably the most Final Fantasy feature they proposed to add to date and I love it! <3
All the old FF games had Phoenix Down as the consumable raise for a party member, it's very much in the spirit of the series to bring back and revitalize a beloved item like this!

It will do good for healers because if they die it's not game over for the boss fight (either from 30min WAR soloing the boss or just force wipe). Dying as a healer with no raise DPS as backup is very stressful and punishing, nowhere near as much as a DPS or even a tank dying, due to "you single-handedly killed the boss attempt"
There's probably someone that's gonna be upset regarding free battle raise for every job... So? Most older Final Fantasy game has this functionality, this game is still called Final Fantasy, and this is for regular more casual content, so it'll not ruin anything for the hardcore players.

[TaleraRistain]

I think some in the thread have the wrong idea about this. People aren't going to be flinging these left and right. It has a 6-minute CD. That's at the most a couple times a dungeon. This just means the party can keep going if the healer goes splat on something early into a boss fight instead of wiping and having to redo it.

[OdrN]

The end of SMN rez draws nigh!

I always have a phoenix down in bag, now it will become useful!

[Valence]

I think it's good to decorrelate base raises from specific jobs. Having those specific jobs offer time unrestricted raises (unlike the base raises) can still be a bonus of their kit.
Now what's left to be done is to re evaluate the overall strength of each role in light parties: since not everything will rely on the healer or the tank to stay alive at all costs anymore else the party is doomed, perhaps it's time to dial down tanks and make healing more interesting.

[Connor]

I think it's good to decorrelate base raises from specific jobs. Having those specific jobs offer time unrestricted raises (unlike the base raises) can still be a bonus of their kit.
Now what's left to be done is to re evaluate the overall strength of each role in light parties: since not everything will rely on the healer or the tank to stay alive at all costs anymore else the party is doomed, perhaps it's time to dial down tanks and make healing more interesting.

Came here to say exactly this lol, really hope this change means they won’t be so deathly allergic to having actual damage output from bosses/enemies since dps/tank can support healers even more now. I mean, practically ever dps has a party heal at this point, and now that they can all raise it’s not like having damage exist would somehow crush every healer player under an insane pressure. Maybe? lol

[Exmo]

Not sure if it's been said yet, haven't read the thread sorry,
but I hope we'll be able to raise via phoenix down by right clicking a KO'd player, instead of having to navigate the inventory menu to find the item.

[Kaurhz]

Not sure if it's been said yet, haven't read the thread sorry,
but I hope we'll be able to raise via phoenix down by right clicking a KO'd player, instead of having to navigate the inventory menu to find the item.

This cannot be said enough times.

1000x this would be amazing.

[Flowerscody2]

My cope is the reason they are doing this is in "preparation" of removing the rez from smn/rdm so they can finally do damage =]