Phoenix Down in 4-Player Content is a Great Idea

[Veritas-Ancora]

Look I love to complain about this game's lack of direction as much as the rest of you, but I have to give credit where credit is due.

Phoenix Down in regular casual content is very worthwhile. It's a pain when you're at a midboss in an Expert roulette and suddenly the healer goes splat. The tank might be able to survive the content on their own, but reviving the healer brings everybody back on their feet and substantially reduces the amount of time in the roulette.

I'm not a SMN/RDM main and I'll be happy to bring the healer back to life it means avoiding 25 minutes of the tank solo'ing the boss and wasting people's time.

[Nero-Voidstails]

i am sure people would have used it in the research facility xx) you know middle Joel that's like surprise people!!

[Rithy255]

I'm not a fan as the only time i enjoyed tanking was when healer was downed and i got to keep other dps alive (not 25 minute solo mind you)
It's a change to cater to making dungeons more easy despite that they already are super easy lol.

Honestly it's just another excuse to not actually fix healers and Tanks, Tanks shouldn't be able to really survive without a healer in the first place, now that you can have Tanks rez even doing things for the first time you likely would want to bring 1T 3dps now because you can rez (or heck 2tanks if your worried about survivability)

[frostmagemari]

I'm not a fan as the only time i enjoyed tanking was when healer was downed and i got to keep other dps alive (not 25 minute solo mind you)
It's a change to cater to making dungeons more easy despite that they already are super easy lol.

Honestly it's just another excuse to not actually fix healers and Tanks, Tanks shouldn't be able to really survive without a healer in the first place, now that you can have Tanks rez even doing things for the first time you likely would want to bring 1T 3dps now because you can rez (or heck 2tanks if your worried about survivability)

They need to do more with fights, make constant incoming damage a thing to make healers have to heal more and make tanks have to mitigate more. Give us things to interrupt and make sure DPS have the tools to do it.
There needs to be a level between "stroll on the beach" and "Playing the original Battle Toads on the NES"

[Shinku_Tachi]

Yeah, this is a massive W

I just can't believe it something that took them over a year to get around to fixing.

[Sunhwapark]

It's okay I guess for an occasional moment, not sure how many people are carrying a Phoenix Feather and actively aware how to use it anyway.
I'm fairly certain we'll witness someone going off on their healer because they died by throwing their invuln timer away 0.0001s after being resurrected into a raid-wide or something, haha.

[Aviatorhead]

I'm not a fan as the only time i enjoyed tanking was when healer was downed and i got to keep other dps alive (not 25 minute solo mind you)
It's a change to cater to making dungeons more easy despite that they already are super easy lol.

Ok but the most miserable part of the game is when this happens and I have to watch yall play the game + steal my job as healer. You're a tank, you're not supposed to be keeping up your dps, *that is my job.*

[Shurrikhan]

Ok but the most miserable part of the game is when this happens and I have to watch yall play the game + steal my job as healer. You're a tank, you're not supposed to be keeping up your dps, *that is my job.*

None of this will matter until you're dead, at which point you've already failed and consigned your party to either a wipe or a 10+ minute tank solo.

The party having this option, then, for when you've failed (have died and/or can't be bothered to rez) is vastly preferable to not having it.



Should healers get more of interest to do, at minimum in terms of downtime activities (when no healing is required)? Of course. But that's independently been the case since Shadowbringers' release.

EDIT: Misread Aviator's post, overfocusing on "steal healer's job" as if that were new instead of already something that can happen pretty often (even more so if the healer gets PKed/brainfarts and dies).

[Rithy255]

Ok but the most miserable part of the game is when this happens and I have to watch yall play the game + steal my job as healer. You're a tank, you're not supposed to be keeping up your dps, *that is my job.*

Ok but why does healer have to be boring one button mage jobs. I like being a "Paladin" that supports my group, Frankly healer gameplay is so dull that doing it on a tank like Paladin where you have a actual rotation is night and day to how much more fun it is, Healing on healer is genuinely so dull, I generally play healers but FF14 healers are so poorly designed that Tank is the only role that has any appeal to me (Even then its flawed with how tanks are super defensive).

It should be the responsibility of the Tank and Healer to keep the party alive, both are support roles you can't tell me that tanks job should only be to mitigate and manage aggro because that's done automatically, This game doesn't offer "Healers" outside the traditional mage archetype, the fact that Tanks can be a more melee focused support based role is a good thing.

In the FULL Post I even mentioned to fix tanks and healers, because unlike healer mains who only care about healer design and cry that tanks like Paladin have access to healing skills, do not care about tanks enjoyment or identity when it comes to rebalancing the roles I think it should be BOTH the Healer and Tanks responsibility to keep their team alive.

That or they can make a actual healer job that isn't in a robe only casting spells, I don't see why Healers should only appeal to people who enjoy spamming one button and have to all be full on mages.

[Supersnow845]

Ok but why does healer have to be boring one button mage jobs. I like being a "Paladin" that supports my group, Frankly healer gameplay is so dull that doing it on a tank like Paladin where you have a actual rotation is night and day to how much more fun it is, Healing on healer is genuinely so dull, I generally play healers but FF14 healers are so poorly designed that Tank is the only role that has any appeal to me (Even then its flawed with how tanks are super defensive).

It should be the responsibility of the Tank and Healer to keep the party alive, both are support roles you can't tell me that tanks job should only be to mitigate and manage aggro because that's done automatically, This game doesn't offer "Healers" outside the traditional mage archetype, the fact that Tanks can be a more melee focused support based role is a good thing.

In the FULL Post I even mentioned to fix tanks and healers, because unlike healer mains who only care about healer design and cry that tanks like Paladin have access to healing skills, do not care about tanks enjoyment or identity when it comes to rebalancing the roles I think it should be BOTH the Healer and Tanks responsibility to keep their team alive.

That or they can make a actual healer job that isn't in a robe only casting spells, I don't see why Healers should only appeal to people who enjoy spamming one button and have to all be full on mages.

You’ve correctly identified that tanks have had agro responsibility ripped out of them and that they have near nothing else to compensate. Then also that healers have been made boring as hell.

But it’s not like that’s healers fault or intended design direction. Tanks support the party by not letting people die to enemies, healers heal the party, why is the solution “let’s all share the healing” and not “ask for the tank mechanics they ripped out of tanks back”

Like it’s not healers fault that they only make white robbed healers