7.3 Hopefully the end of talking to Wuk Lamat

[TeresaFortell]

Whoever started inserting their food/vore fetish into every storyline needs to be put on Wuk litter box duty. Food scenes are annoying enough at this point, but the way they eat, with the over exaggerated bites and sounds that make your spouse think you are watching something 18+ is just creepy.

Reminds me of Food Wars with over-the-top food-eating scenes. It was ridiculous there, and it was ridiculous here. What is more unbelievable is that by mixing the culinary methods of Mamool Ja with meats from Xbr'aal to make xibruq pibil, we have seemingly forged a unity between the two groups. I know it was a contest, but we really could have used that opportunity to learn more in-depth as to why there were conflicts between them.

[Zackneifein]

Where the heck is the "self-insert / self-insertion" argument coming from? This is a Japanese company and Wuk Lamat is a classic shonen protagonist, this has nothing to do with "self-insertion".
The problem of Wuk Lamat is that she is a stereotype (aka shonen protagonist) by definition divisive, that she don't truely grow during her story since she is already near perfect from the beginning and that the WoL has no real added value to her story, making them irrevelant in the overall story.

You aren't in a Marvel or DC comics where on the of author decided to insert a character in the story that look like them. So please, from every of my post here I'm clearly not a "Wuk Lamat" defenders, but try using your brain and your literacy if you have some instead of regurgitate sh*tty arguments you have seen in grifters videos or forums that are being repeated ad nauseam.

[Doomed_Raven]

This is the first time in all of the years I have played FF14 I have looked forward to the .3 Patch not because I was excited for the story as I have been in the past. But to move on from that horrible character.

Here's hoping in the future we have better written and voice acted characters.

This Expansion felt like the A team went to work on FF16 and the B team gave us this mess. Hopefully going forward they can recapture the magic and move towards a brighter future.

This sounds about right actually. It's this exact reason we got Silent Hill 4 the room and the Resident Evil 3 Remake (though SH4 The Room was still decent in several ways). Main teams do something else, a less experienced or qualified B team takes over. Disaster usually happens.

[All_Nonsense]

Just watched the trailer. They're killing off Y'shtola, Graha, and Krile, and replacing all of their lines with Wuk Lamat, the new Scion of the 7th Dawn who will take over as leader. The turtle kid will also be there since everyone is too stupid to understand what's happening unless he perfectly articulates it for them (and the player). Seems they did read the forums after all and realized we're all illiterates.

[Hallarem]

"I must protecc promise to speeeeeeen" no. We are not getting rid of her. Yoshi P wants us to "see her charm"

[TaleraRistain]

Where the heck is the "self-insert / self-insertion" argument coming from? This is a Japanese company and Wuk Lamat is a classic shonen protagonist, this has nothing to do with "self-insertion".
The problem of Wuk Lamat is that she is a stereotype (aka shonen protagonist) by definition divisive, that she don't truely grow during her story since she is already near perfect from the beginning and that the WoL has no real added value to her story, making them irrevelant in the overall story.

You aren't in a Marvel or DC comics where on the of author decided to insert a character in the story that look like them. So please, from every of my post here I'm clearly not a "Wuk Lamat" defenders, but try using your brain and your literacy if you have some instead of regurgitate sh*tty arguments you have seen in grifters videos or forums that are being repeated ad nauseam.

Self-insert doesn't just mean a character looking like a writer or artist. It also means when someone takes the character they created and inflates their importance in a story to ridiculous and illogical levels. Which is exactly what happened with Wuk Lamat.

[Zackneifein]

Self-insert doesn't just mean a character looking like a writer or artist. It also means when someone takes the character they created and inflates their importance in a story to ridiculous and illogical levels. Which is exactly what happened with Wuk Lamat.

No, a self-insert is an author that writes themselves into the story in the guise of a new character (or replacing an old one with it). It's usually as bad as fanfiction and that's litterally defined by the "self".

Wuk Lamat isn't a self-insert, it's a more complete attempt (the first one being Zero) to focus the story on one specific character entirely (probably one by expansion), because it's more and more difficult to focus the story on the WoL (because the stronger is the WoL, the more complexe it is to make it the MC) or a big cast of characters.
They tried this, because Zero was well received, but with Wuk Lamat it backfired heavily, so they are backtracking.

But it has nothing to do with "self-insert", even worse when we know for sure that the story of Dawntrail isn't the work of one single person, even if there is a leader, it was a team. All the cases of "true" self-insertion was when their was only one author, that's why I talk of comics where it happened the most.

[MartinFreeman]

Where the heck is the "self-insert / self-insertion" argument coming from? This is a Japanese company and Wuk Lamat is a classic shonen protagonist, this has nothing to do with "self-insertion".
The problem of Wuk Lamat is that she is a stereotype (aka shonen protagonist) by definition divisive, that she don't truely grow during her story since she is already near perfect from the beginning and that the WoL has no real added value to her story, making them irrevelant in the overall story.

You aren't in a Marvel or DC comics where on the of author decided to insert a character in the story that look like them. So please, from every of my post here I'm clearly not a "Wuk Lamat" defenders, but try using your brain and your literacy if you have some instead of regurgitate sh*tty arguments you have seen in grifters videos or forums that are being repeated ad nauseam.

Wuk Lamat is a self insert OC.

[TheMightyMollusk]

This started in Endwalker due to its rushed nature, there's odd pacing everywhere.

Remember how we kill Zodiark and we're barely given 10 minutes to ponder the ramifications of what just happened and what the weird voice was before LOL MOON RABBITS SO RANDOM!

I still think this was a result of cramming two expansions into one. If they'd gone with the original Garlemald-centric plan, then Anima as a trial, followed by Mare Lamentorum as the final zone, leading to Fandaniel (perhaps as Amon the Undying) as the finale would've followed the pattern. The goofiness with the lopporitts would've been a standard x.1 patch falling action where the story is taking its breath before building up the next problem. Then we'd start seeing signs that Fandaniel's not dead yet after all, leading to the x.3 patch and the fight with Zodiarc as a closer for the story. Next, in x.4-x.5, we'd have signs of strange monsters appearing, with Vanaspati as the x.5 dungeon as the Final Days begin in earnest, setting up the next expansion.

But, since they crushed two expansions and a patch series together, everything has a weird lurching pace of either being so rushed that the story has no time to breath, or stopping dead in its tracks for something that could've been done in a third of the time (or just been a side quest, like showing the lopporitts around Sharlayan).

[MicahZerrshia]

then Anima as a trial.

This still irks me to no end. Anima is one of those aeons from FFX that is an absolute fan favorite and making her a dungeon boss instead of a full trial was just an incredibly bad idea. Then on top of it we didn't even get a good remix of the hymn of the fayth to go along with it. Imagine if they would have made ruby/emerald/diamond weapons dungeon bosses instead of trials.

I was so excited with the anima reveal, esp since the pandamonium reveal we got with it, with the chains and swinging cages, it was a perfect arena for and just screamed Anima. Even the final fight with Athena, I mean that would have been the perfect Anima insert instead of....a weird pink butterfly. When I saw her as a dungeon boss, and a dull leveling dungeon on top of it, I literally stopped shook my head and said aloud, wtf were they thinking!?