The Purify changes are going to kill Contradance

[Valence]

Another thing I hadn't quite considered until playing with those changes is that if you get focused before using your DNC LB (as again, players at a certain level with 2 braincells will do), odds are you're going to eat damage as usual, but also crowd control, which can force you to heal and Purify before using the LB, which means that Purify won't be ready for after the LB unless you delay even further.
Or you can just retreat and try again another time when nobody in the enemy team has hard counters to your LB, when you get positioning, and when basically stars align.

[Ixon]

Or you can just retreat and try again another time when nobody in the enemy team has hard counters to your LB, when you get positioning, and when basically stars align.

Pretty much. Best use case is to go in with LB ready, never actually pop it, absorb 3-5 LBs and every cc imaginable, get out, heal up, go again. Basically become a tank and a half for enemy resources. Have to hold it till even the enemy forgets you have it.

[Valence]

Sure but it has pros and cons because allies will also be counting on your LB to turn tables, and not using it may very well be lose you the engagement, because not every LB in the game is single target and aimed at you, but will also affect your team. But you're right past a point it's better to hold rather than pop it and die.

Either way, sometimes all this required purifying is really painful when you have to eat 15k worth of recup or even 30k.

[Valence]

So uh yeah, the Fan Dance potency buff is appreciated (and +1k on fountain/fountainfall? really?), but maybe the devs should realize that the inherent problems that hold the job back aren't potency issues.

This LBN is a gigantic gamble with little to no control over it, everything hard counters it, and people can even dodge it now since 7.1. Usability is literally in the negatives. But sure, once or twice stars will align and you'll do a team wipe. Wheee.

[Valence]

I'm bumping up this thread because I'm starting to get really tired of that nonsense.

DNC isn't a bad job, it's good, when it functions. Having to play around a lot of counters is part of the game, because Contra is powerful and game changing no other opponent has a LB that direct counters yours, your team is in position. Having to watch for all enemy LBs that counter or directly counter yours is part of the game, having to carefully position and make sure that your team is able to follow on Contra, having to make sure you're not gonna get called as a burst target and die before you can pull it off, is part of the game. Even after the hit registration changes when the LB has been made even harder to use because people can just teleport out or dodge it, I've not been complaining. That's fair and square even if it makes it the hardest LB to pull in the game.

DNC is however incredibly harmed by all of those "cheeses" that people can pull to entirely negate the LB. Contra is literally the only LB in the game that can get entirely negated by basic buttons like every stun and silence (+ miracle of nature). This CAN NOT be pre purified anymore, as purify will drop off BEFORE the wind up is done.
But wait there is more. You can also get knocked back. Every kb in the game will literally be a giant middle finger to your LB.
All of those are BASIC BUTTONS that can give the middle finger to an entire LB. Every job and their moms have those. There is literally zero counter to those. How is this even fair?

I love the job, I think the job performs fine. I'm not asking for buffs. I'm asking for the LB to be re examined because after all the changes that have been introduced into the game, SE hasn't bothered to check how it affected the LB. Targets can stun/silence/kb the DNC and give it the middlefinger at any time. How long before we get an acknowledgement that this fucking sucks?

And on top of it you'll get screwed twice over if your latency is over 50-100ms when you try to purify out of a stun/silence before the recharm because god forbid we're not all playing in Yoshida's office at negative ping, but I'll spare you that one because that's essentially pvp above 50ms anyway

[Valence]

For real, is this a sick joke? We're gaining 500 potency per tick on Honing? You think this is gonna fix the job and its Limit Break? You still haven't realized that the job is literally trash tier because of the usability of its LB and its total lack of crowd control options?

I expected that kind of middlefinger from the team but it's still extremely disheartening to see how clueless this is.

Well if you're not inclined to do anything about it, then maybe we shouldn't be inclined into playing it. I'm done with this.

[Mercury_Grey]

Then don't play DNC in pvp? No one forcing you to. besides the limit break increase tick on the dance partner scoring a kill is great. It rewards yoru dance partner for getting kills. Both get an increase passive to limit break recovery and can still do blade dance for damage up

[Loggos]

Then don't play DNC in pvp? No one forcing you to.

I'm sorry but I can't agree with this. So if SE "designs" a job into a ground its mains should not be bothered by that? Jobs are not interchangeable (yet). If the job whose gameplay is the most fun to you (and that used to work in the past) is suddenly downgraded by terrible balancing decisions then you lose a major aspect of what made pvp fun. Switching to another job may be functional* but not give you the same level of enjoyment - which is what all of this is about after all. Not every job needs to be god tier meta but every job should be viable and competitive in a fair way and it's clear that this just doesn't apply to dancer at the moment. Players who love the job have every right to be upset about how SE treats it.

*And before anybody says "when you climb most players just switch to the 5 current meta jobs anyway", yes, and to me that's not very fun. Some players don't just want to rank up for the numbers, some players want to rank up while playing the jobs they enjoy the most. I don't just want to be an xyz main in casuals.

[Valence]

Yeah well, that was a hot reaction on the moment. After that tantrum, even though I play other things as well when possible, I'm still on DNC because I genuinely like it, it's my main and the one I perform the best with in ranked.

LB still feels like shit though :'D

ohno, I got stunned! Guess it's wasted!
ohno, I got pushed back! Guess it's even more wasted!

The funnier part is you can't do anything about it. Just cross your fingers, pop it, and pray nobody is paying attention.

[Mistress_Irika]

Then don't play DNC in pvp? No one forcing you to. besides the limit break increase tick on the dance partner scoring a kill is great. It rewards your dance partner for getting kills. Both get an increase passive to limit break recovery and can still do blade dance for damage up

So we be like the raiders and let the class collect dust until it gets fixed?
Why should anyone have to play a better class that they don't enjoy for better performance just to enjoy the game?