We need more casual PvE content.

[AntoniusQuil]

I feel like this patch season has just not enough causal combat content. So far we got just normal versions of raids and trials (plus one alliance raid so far).

Occult crescent was supposed to be this casual combat content. But after Bozja which had some really good casual content like Castrum, Delubrum (which is still my favourite raid in the game) and Dalariada. This time for some reason we got savage only Forked Tower which provides no casual content, leaving the casuals in occult crescent only with encounters, fates and grinding regular mobs, so much less than in case of Bozja.

It’s getting kinda annoying that it seems like the part of the dev team responsible for combat content cares only about savage part of the player base.

[Bryson]

dev team responsible for combat content cares only about savage part of the player base.

Good joke. I needed a laugh.

[AntoniusQuil]

Good joke. I needed a laugh.

Where’s the lie tho?

- savage tier which I see majority of savage riders being really happy with

- new ultimate

- new chaotic raid - which is a completely new savage mode

- and now forked tower.

Meanwhile casual players got only standard stuff like normal tier raids and alliance raids.

[TeresaFortell]

I feel like this patch season has just not enough causal combat content. So far we got just normal versions of raids and trials (plus one alliance raid so far).

Occult crescent was supposed to be this casual combat content. But after Bozja which had some really good casual content like Castrum, Delubrum (which is still my favourite raid in the game) and Dalariada. This time for some reason we got savage only Forked Tower which provides no casual content, leaving the casuals in occult crescent only with encounters, fates and grinding regular mobs, so much less than in case of Bozja.

It’s getting kinda annoying that it seems like the part of the dev team responsible for combat content cares only about savage part of the player base.

Take it with a grain of salt, but they did mention that "cost" was a factor that led them not to have a normal version of FTB. Frankly, they should have known that this would undoubtedly alienate many players.

[AntoniusQuil]

Take it with a grain of salt, but they did mention that "cost" was a factor that led them not to have a normal version of FTB. Frankly, they should have known that this would undoubtedly alienate many players.

I recall them saying something like that but in such case they should have made only normal FTB, not the other way around. Seeing how they already added completely new savage content in the previous patch. Stuff like that is why casual players kinda feel like an afterthought for the part of the dev team responsible for combat content.

[Bryson]

Where’s the lie tho?

- savage tier which I see majority of savage riders being really happy with

- new ultimate

- new chaotic raid - which is a completely new savage mode

- and now forked tower.

Meanwhile casual players got only standard stuff like normal tier raids and alliance raids.

1. Someone can be happy with the tier irrespective of whether they think they are "hardcore" or not.
2. Ultimate(s) have existed since SB so nothing new here.. also FRU released like 8 months ago
3. Chaotic is spammed in PF by people of varying raiding backgrounds. Chaotic = Savage is hilariously reductive.
4. My Forked Tower reclears are full of people who don't do savage or ultimates.

Casuals can do a lot of things.. whether they choose to or not is entirely up to them. Disinterest in x for reasons y isn't the same thing as "there's no content for us casuals."

[hydralus]

It will always be the case that savage raiders will get "more" because they can do everything a casual can, but also the harder content. The vast majority of OC is casual content with only the forked tower requiring any real investment in learning or wiping.

[Mawlzy]

It will always be the case that savage raiders will get "more" because they can do everything a casual can, but also the harder content. The vast majority of OC is casual content with only the forked tower requiring any real investment in learning or wiping.

And there is very little point in engaging with OC unless you're aiming to clear FT.

But I agree with your leading point. This is precisely why the content taken as a whole needs to be heavily weighted towards casual/non-raiding players. And in DT it's not.

The one notable exception is Cosmic Exploration which is... simply dross.

[hydralus]

And there is very little point in engaging with OC unless you're aiming to clear FT.

But I agree with your leading point. This is precisely why the content taken as a whole needs to be heavily weighted towards casual/non-raiding players. And in DT it's not.

The one notable exception is Cosmic Exploration which is... simply dross.

I've spent about 50 hours in OC without touching FT because I've been enjoying leveling the different jobs, hunting for carrots, farming for glams, testing out dope phantom job/base job combos, and the general sense of open world community it provides. Honestly don't even care about forked tower. The mount it gives is kinda ugly and I could just trade a few carrots worth of gil for the rewards if I really cared.

I bet if they didn't release forked tower at all nobody would have anything to complain about, but now that it's there, suddenly "the only point of engaging with OC is to do forked tower". Nope, some people legitimately just enjoy playing.

[ChrysOCE]

I've spent about 50 hours in OC without touching FT because I've been enjoying leveling the different jobs, hunting for carrots, farming for glams, testing out dope phantom job/base job combos, and the general sense of open world community it provides. Honestly don't even care about forked tower. The mount it gives is kinda ugly and I could just trade a few carrots worth of gil for the rewards if I really cared.

I bet if they didn't release forked tower at all nobody would have anything to complain about, but now that it's there, suddenly "the only point of engaging with OC is to do forked tower". Nope, some people legitimately just enjoy playing.

Not really. If they released OC with no raid, it would just be an incomplete field ops. I think everyone was expecting there to be a raid at the end and there would have been an outcry if there was nothing. They know how popular CLL was, with BSF. It beggars belief they didn't repeat that.