Now that the game is officially on its deathbed, what are your thoughts?

[Garruss]

From reading this thread, it's very clear 8.0 is going to be the crunch time for many people, and if the Expansion is not up to the level of Shadowbringers quality, well people might start moving on even more.

[Nero-Voidstails]

From reading this thread, it's very clear 8.0 is going to be the crunch time for many people, and if the Expansion is not up to the level of Shadowbringers quality, well people might start moving on even more.

I sure will haha I thought Endwalker was bad but when I look back at it now it wasn't the best but wasn't that bad compared to DT overall

[Astronema]

I see epstein perverts all over limsa the town is now his island.. game is cooked.
Most of the new gear they make is hideous.
Housing and QOL updates are dead. The mobile version is actually making clowns of the current dev team by fixing actual problems. wow will end our housing community forever.

forked tower could of been made better as a high school project...
the story still sucks until we end dawnfail.
no direction and horrible combat and no job identity.no money they say to fix anything
abandon-ware..

[VayaTruesong]

It is a either a troll post or this game is someone's first MMORPG. Seriously, if FF11 is still kicking and WoW is thriving after Shadowlands, there is no reason to worry about 14.

[BigCheez]

It is a either a troll post or this game is someone's first MMORPG. Seriously, if FF11 is still kicking and WoW is thriving after Shadowlands, there is no reason to worry about 14.

When people say the game is dying, they aren't referring to it being in danger of the servers being shut down. They're referring to the game having become a husk of its former self and showing no signs of improvement.

I don't think the game will truly die any time soon, but there is a pretty real risk of it becoming dead to me. It has strayed so far from being something that I enjoy, and while Yoshi-P says some of the right things, every patch seems to take it further in a direction that I don't enjoy.

I don't think job and role complexity are coming back. I don't think the DDR fight design is going anywhere. I don't think the devs are willing to spend time or take risks on developing more unique and less formulaic content. And I don't think the quantity of content will increase.

[Atlanna]

I feel like I've heard "This MMO dying" argument before.

I've been playing MMO's and online RPG's for years, since they were invented, literally... they have all been "dying" since the day of inception.

[seolhyun]

From reading this thread, it's very clear 8.0 is going to be the crunch time for many people, and if the Expansion is not up to the level of Shadowbringers quality, well people might start moving on even more.

at this rate 8.0 wont be out until 2027 and most people wont even come back

[Carin-Eri]

From reading this thread, it's very clear 8.0 is going to be the crunch time for many people, and if the Expansion is not up to the level of Shadowbringers quality, well people might start moving on even more.

I doubt the game will ever quite recapture the success it enjoyed during Shadowbringers. To quote another forumite (OdinelStarrei), from an older thread:

The circumstances that made Shadowbringers an unmitigated success was not attributed only to Shadowbringers quality. Even looking solely at the story, Shadowbringers had 1.0, ARR, HW, and SB to pull off of. Now that the developers have cleanly (I'll even say preemptively) cut a lot of the connecting tissue with decisions made in Endwalker, that 10 year investment is gone for the primary plotline. Then you have the major external factors, of the pandemic, of community sentiment and trust being incredibly high, people were dragging all sorts of new blood in. I couldn't see myself recommending XIV in it's current state to anyone.

In hindsight, the "Have you heard of the critically acclaimed etc etc" narrative was an Icarus flying too high moment.

And that's if you take the most...positive leaning on Shadowbringers. I liked it, loved it even sometimes, but for some, that really was the beginning of the end, and regardless of where you place the shift (5.0, 5.3, 6.0, 6.X, DT), I believe we are past the event horizon, since I don't trust the team to knock it out of the park in either gameplay or story anymore.

[All_Nonsense]

It is a either a troll post or this game is someone's first MMORPG. Seriously, if FF11 is still kicking and WoW is thriving after Shadowlands, there is no reason to worry about 14.

idk how many at this point, but I did play ESO at its peak and watch it fall (still technically around), PSO2 at its peak and watched it fall (it's done), and Destiny 2 at its peak and watched it fall (technically still around), and FF14 is literally doing the same exact things all 3 of those games did when they fell. And it took time for them to fall too, it was a gradual process, but an inevitable one. The harbingers of this inevitability are vilified today but in a few years we'll just be reduced to "they were right but it doesn't matter now." ig I get to live it a 4th time, tho I'm done with MMO's after this.

Metion: "And the last of them wished they had never subbed to the game at all" or smth I forget

No one who hears "the games died" thinks they're literally dead, they have more literacy than that. Everything that comes after this is going to be marred with oldheads telling stories about the heyday of the game. That's not a good state for the game to be in. No one will be looking fondly back on DT. Or maybe they will, because most of the player population ditching the game forever doesn't like DT, and the 10 people who do will play through the slop. That's not a good thing. You can spin up FF11 however you wish, you know it's literally only the shadow of what it used to be. The last remaining mirage of what it was at its peak in 2009. FF14 is transitioning to that as we speak. That's what "dying" is to most people. Lots of 0 pop games out there with servers still up. You gonna go play them and talk about how alive they are?

"This was a reading comprehension check"

[Rithy255]

as much as ff14 is declining people use "dead game" so quickly these days... like no it still gets a decent amount of players more then its got in the past, a game being in decline doesn't mean it's a "dead game" Personally just annoys me because it's such a overused and incorrect statement for so many games.

That being said it's because of very poor decisions that have quite honestly slowly put the game in decline. I could rant about job design, easy encounters lack of anything fun and creative, not really a mmo world... Quite honestly also the bar for entry too is stupid as people got to go through serval expansions to get to the "current" content and this is only going to get worse with time with the amount of time it will take to get to max level and skills that get put into later levels.