How would you *fix* battle content?

[Alice_Rivers]

Further to my above thoughts, savage punishments being rubbish can also be traced back to tanks being unduly strong and a lack of imagination from the devs, if tanks weren't functionally immortal then having damage snowball with each failed mechanic would work and would allow for healer skill expression, this could be fixed in part by cutting down tank HP numbers in addition to adjusting their kits and then rebalancing tank exclusive damage down to account for it (or not of course, force more mit and healer play as long as tanks CAN survive any one given hit, it's okay with me) as far as people who say "you can't balance tanks around normal because jobs are balanced around ultimate" that's entirely true, and it should be that jobs and ultimate are balanced against eachother and that normal and extreme are balanced around jobs.

[ShadowyZero]

the further this thread goes you supposed healers have now lost the plot an your displaying entitlement to be lazy an just make everyone suffer with you cause you cant be arsed to pay attention or learn or cause you just want to hate on tanks cause your kits suck majorly an you are just bitter cause the devs have ignored you an you know what i can see why they ignore you now lol your just emotional children complaining just to make your ego's feel better lol its little wonder your movement collapsed too many entitled ego's in one room you essentially bite yourselves good job lol

[Alice_Rivers]

you cant be arsed to pay attention or learn

Pay attention to or learn what? To heal? What? What is there to heal? We did learn, that's the problem, we learned not to heal because that's what the game went out of it's way to teach us. You appear to have a problem with those of us who actually want to do our jobs, that is to heal, to have to pay attention.

[ShadowyZero]

Pay attention to or learn what? To heal? What? What is there to heal? We did learn, that's the problem, we learned not to heal because that's what the game went out of it's way to teach us. You appear to have a problem with those of us who actually want to do our jobs, that is to heal, to have to pay attention.

first it started with complaining about not being able to DPS then it turned to rage about not having a diverse kit, now healers are blaming other roles do you really not see the absurdity? this absolutely ludicrous lol its batshite insane when you start blaming other people an other roles/jobs you've lost the plot an you've demoralized what you were arguing for from the beginning an now people will not take this seriously cause people acting like this are pushing them away an those people would of supported your cause but by all means keep acting a fool let us know when that turns into results we'll be waiting to hear back from ya

[Supersnow845]

first it started with complaining about not being able to DPS then it turned to rage about not having a diverse kit, now healers are blaming other roles do you really not see the absurdity? this absolutely ludicrous lol its batshite insane when you start blaming other people an other roles/jobs you've lost the plot an you've demoralized what you were arguing for from the beginning an now people will not take this seriously cause people acting like this are pushing them away an those people would of supported your cause but by all means keep acting a fool let us know when that turns into results we'll be waiting to hear back from ya

Tanks- MY ROLE IS CARRIER BABY DONT LIKE IT LEAVE

healers- can we please be allowed to do our role

Tanks- SEE THIS INSANE NONSENSICAL ARGUMENT IS WHY NOBODY LIKES YOU

[ShadowyZero]

healers- can we please be allowed to do our role

Yoshida and devs quite literally allowed you to do said role but of course healers still complained lmao so which is it? do you want to play the game of healing or don't you? or do you just want to continue to be mad for the sake of being mad?

the playerbase is on the side of healers saying they want a more robust kit with more dps between heal casts and the tanks are bored of not getting a real challenge that forces them to even use their mitigation often.

but do you hear the tanks asking for healers to get butchered or neutered in their job kits? if so show me where cause i've never seen an instance of that anywhere on these forums lol an thats why people can't take these arguments seriously an thats why the devs ignore the healer role. healer mains need to screw their heads back on straight an agree on what exactly they really want not demonize other jobs for what they DONT have cause thats not only being toxic but also childish.

[Shurrikhan]

first it started with complaining about not being able to DPS then it turned to rage about not having a diverse kit, now healers are blaming other roles do you really not see the absurdity? this absolutely ludicrous lol its batshite insane when you start blaming other people an other roles/jobs you've lost the plot an you've demoralized what you were arguing for from the beginning an now people will not take this seriously cause people acting like this are pushing them away an those people would of supported your cause but by all means keep acting a fool let us know when that turns into results we'll be waiting to hear back from ya

While I'm all for keeping gameplay and just increasing the need to use it instead, tanks are objectively the most powerful role in the game, and by quite a bit. Enough so that if you removed half of their passive mitigation* and only nerfed what tankbusters would otherwise one-shot through the same active mitigation, tanks would still be fully fine despite also making their CDs feel far, far more substantial/required.

* Fwiw: Passive Mitigation is, btw, the majority of our mitigation unless stacking the first 4s of a %DR-heavy 25s or our 2-minute with something else.

The short of it is both that tanks probably need to be squishier outside of CDs AND we need more total party damage intake (AND healers should also have more interesting downtime activities).

[Alice_Rivers]

The only people I blame are the job/content design devs for either making my job irrelevant or worse giving my job to other roles and stripping away gameplay from the principle recipient of mine. It's not the fault of WAR players that it is the posterchild of healer irrelevance, though I do find their defence of it frustrating. That said, I have never once complained about not being able to dps or that I don't have a diverse kit, I have all the dps tools and healing tools I want, all I have ever advocated for is that I get to USE those tools. Further, per my posting history, I have historically been more than happy to adjust content rather than hammer tanks into the dirt.

I don't see why making an entire role a burden on the party is a good thing for anyone.

[MayuAmakura]

I think some of issue with battle content is that many things in this game don't matter at all. What this game needs (but will never be implemented):

- Make stats actually matter and gear progression different. Make armor count.
- Make that armor is not working if you are turning your back towards an enemy, thus taking full damage.
- Make aoe abilities a bit harder to land
- Turn off that stupid 2 min meta
- Make abilities have 1 second cooldown instead of 2.5 sec.

But someone said that console players would struggle with this. Specially with 1 second cd on abilities instead of 2.5.

[Connor]

Is there any point in threads like this anymore when literally everything is ‘too expensive’ for them now lol? (Sarcastic not literal). It costs them all their money just to colour those AoEs orange, guys!

We might get a new spicy AoE every 120s in 8.0 but ffxiv will literally never see the kind of drastic battle system changes it (frankly) needs at this point. So instead the gameplay is on a perfectly angled slope downwards…with zero friction (lol).

The game at this point is already so massively devoid of any actual substance that literally every other (mmo)RPG has. There’s:

- Very little diversity between jobs and playstyles
- substats that aren’t crit/direct hit may as well not exist
- MP bar exists despite having effectively no use for any job. The only thing it really acts as now is a Raise spam limiter. Why even bother keeping it if it’s going to be so entirely pointless that it barely even functions as a finite resource?
- No real buffs, debuffs, or otherwise creative/unconventional abilities. Every ‘non-attack’ in the game has the exact same (120s) cooldown, does effectively the exact same thing ‘increase damage dealt by target by %’, and could activate entirely automatically and literally nothing about the gameplay would change. And the ‘defensive’ stuff is either absolutely useless like Warden’s Paean or a fully channelled Improvisation. Why have the abilities exist if they’re going to be literally useless 99% of the time? Collective Unconscious is the exact same; why tf is it still a channel when the one thing you can’t do is channel it because of the dps loss. And ‘you use it when the boss literally disappears’ is poor justification for any ability lol.
- Healer role that’s barely existent and largely non-functional
- Tank design combined with lazy encounter design allows them to just entirely do the healer’s job for them.
- (Maybe Debatable) throwing jobs into the trash heap every time the next expansion drops and focusing the entirety of their focus on those new jobs, then doing the remainder as an afterthought. That’s how it feels anyway lol.

I can think of a million more but like there’s literally 10000 things they need to ‘fix’ for the battle system to become actually enjoyable again and not ‘just bearable’ lol. But with how frankly awful their response has been to player feedback time and time and time again, I have absolutely no goodwill left to give them anymore.