Keeping Content Hard and Helping People Learn

[Valence]

That is a very sad outlook on life.

Your view screams very... american culture to me, not gonna lie. Living to work instead of working to live, etc. Always trying to overdo oneself to reach imaginary goals while missing what actually matters on the way. Very sports talk in a way, which tends to echo very well with a lot of raiders in the game imo.

Apologizing in advance for my own... cultural bias to show.

Yeah, I don't think I should have tried that hard when it feels like the point went and keeps going right over everyone's heads! :'D

I think you unfortunately got caught in a crossfire, for which I somewhat chose to indulge in and I apologize for it.

[Mawlzy]

Your view screams very... american culture to me, not gonna lie. Living to work instead of working to live, etc. Always trying to overdo oneself to reach imaginary goals while missing what actually matters on the way. Very sports talk in a way, which tends to echo very well with a lot of raiders in the game imo.

I've had this discussion in many different contexts and an interesting correlation emerges.

Those who are attracted to "you can do it if you want to do it" (to the point they are shocked anyone would reject the mantra) frequently also believe that Tony Robbins is a brilliant self-help guru who has enriched countless lives.

Those who find the mantra dangerous and destructive tend to regard Tony Robbins as a charlatan who has ruined countless lives.

One funny sidenote is that the kind of "mind-positive advocacy" we're talking about here is the origin of the phrase "toxic positivity," which acknowledges the poison such a worldview injects.

[Shistar]

I think you unfortunately got caught in a crossfire, for which I somewhat chose to indulge in and I apologize for it.

No worries. It was my choice to reply, after all.
I think people who have that view IRL can be harmful if taken to an extreme or ignoring circumstances, but I think it's an admirable attitute to have towards video games because they're made to be beaten. The devs don't go around releasing impossible content for players to bang their heads against and never beat. That is why I agree with Cid's sentiment, simply because everything in this game has been beaten at least once, and if it is factually possible and I want to do it, those are the only two things I need to feel capable of beating it ^^


Obviously, it is not this way IRL. But I also think having to reach so far as to compare yourself to a Formula 1 World Champion to prove your point is... extreme, to say the least.
This is not an IRL forum, it's XIV's forum, and the real fact is that you can clear whatever you put your mind to because it is literally made for you to clear it, and it will be there for you to clear it until the days the servers die. Having an attitude that aligns with the content's nature only makes it easier for you to reach your goal.

[Mawlzy]

No worries. It was my choice to reply, after all.
I think people who have that view IRL can be harmful if taken to an extreme or ignoring circumstances, but I think it's an admirable attitute to have towards video games because they're made to be beaten. The devs don't go around releasing impossible content for players to bang their heads against and never beat. That is why I agree with Cid's sentiment, simply because everything in this game has been beaten at least once, and if it is factually possible and I want to do it, those are the only two things I need to feel capable of beating it ^^


Obviously, it is not this way IRL. But I also think having to reach so far as to compare yourself to a Formula 1 World Champion to prove your point is... extreme, to say the least.
This is not an IRL forum, it's XIV's forum, and the real fact is that you can clear whatever you put your mind to because it is literally made for you to clear it, and it will be there for you to clear it until the days the servers die. Having an attitude that aligns with the content's nature only makes it easier for you to reach your goal.

It is made for some portion of the player base to clear, not me. And that's as it should be.

As Carighan notes, any MMO that designs all content to be cleared by everyone is a terrible MMO.

[Shistar]

It is made for some portion of the player base to clear, not me. And that's as it should be.

It is made for the average player to clear. It is okay to not be an average player, but if the devs had to account for every single player type, physical and mental limitation and preferences in existence, they'd either never release anything, or never make anyone happy. It is up to us to decide what we do with the content that is released.



Edit: That is why games like Animal Crossing and Dark Souls exist. The average player varies game to game, and if you find that you don't enjoy XIV or you feel like you are not up to the skill level it demands of its average playerbase, I don't see why you should torture yourself playing something that makes you feel this bad.
XIV's "average player" has changed over the years, and you have changed over the years. I understand it is upsetting to feel like you're being pushed away by a game you like. But it is truly their loss, not yours. For your own wellbeing, I hope you find better games that give you much more joy. Genuinely.

[Mawlzy]

It is made for the average player to clear. It is okay to not be an average player, but if the devs had to account for every single player type in existence, they'd either never release anything, or never make anyone happy. It is up to us to decide what we do with the content that is released.

100% agree. Which is why I get prickly when raiders insist anyone can clear savage, particularly when it's used to demonstrate that there is plenty of content in this game, if only the lazy casuals would engage with it.

[Shistar]

100% agree. Which is why I get prickly when raiders insist anyone can clear savage, particularly when it's used to demonstrate that there is plenty of content in this game, if only the lazy casuals would engage with it.

... I think we won't ever get anywhere with this conversation. Have a nice day, Mawlzy.

[Mawlzy]

... I think we won't ever get anywhere with this conversation. Have a nice day, Mawlzy.

Oh. Seemed to me we'd reached a fair amount of concordance.

Have a nice day yourself.