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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowyZero View Post
    i hear you about the people excited about Mercydia but i think we know too much about it as is, which is why it confused me when Hades brought it up because like what more is there for us to possibly know that hasn't already been revealed or is common knowledge at this point? how would they translate it all into a compelling narrative thats supposed to span across an entire expansion?
    like i tell you what we all know about Mercydia if that will help my argument here but to give you the cliff notes version it boils down too: "people really hated the Allagan Empire so they joined hands with the Dragons to fight them"
    We've really seen our fair share of Dragons, Allagans and Voidsent over the years, and it surely wouldn't feel very fresh to base another expansion on it.
    I guess the solution to that would be to primarily concentrate on the other aspects of Meracydia, like the peoples behind the Warring Triad. The worshippers of Sophia I find particularly interesting.
    Of course there's a bunch of other stuff they could come up with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowyZero View Post
    i hear you about the people excited about Mercydia but i think we know too much about it as is, which is why it confused me when Hades brought it up because like what more is there for us to possibly know that hasn't already been revealed or is common knowledge at this point? how would they translate it all into a compelling narrative thats supposed to span across an entire expansion?
    like i tell you what we all know about Mercydia if that will help my argument here but to give you the cliff notes version it boils down too: "people really hated the Allagan Empire so they joined hands with the Dragons to fight them"
    The devs can concoct any number of reasons that we currently have no context for to get us to Meracydia. This basis for our journey to Tural was mostly just "go on adventure" with a secondary addition of "help random NPC become queen of her nation because she says her brother wants to send an army (despite Tural seemingly having no navy)".

    Beyond Late Allagan history there already affecting many stories in the game, Meracydia seems interesting as a setting because it's been dangled in front of us for a long time and seems to be based on Africa (Kple kple mask, ben-ben stone, hippopotamuses, shabti, sphinx, biloko, leucrotta, etc.) with additional Australian animals and geographic location/isolation thrown in for good measure. Neither really shows up often in fantasy so it would be interesting to see what they could work with.

    I'm personally not very keen on another shard-hopping story or a time travel/alternate timeline one. We've done shard-hopping stories 3 times now and I don't really trust the writers to make a good story that involves time travel anymore.

    Other options include anywhere in Ilsabard, which we've been to the edges of but never really delved into. Freshly independent countries all over the place hot off of their rebellions could be the seeds of a good story, especially since we've had an expansion-long break from anything to do with Garleans. And Ilsabard has more relevance to our characters than far-off Meracydia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikkoAkure View Post
    The devs can concoct any number of reasons that we currently have no context for to get us to Meracydia.


    I'm personally not very keen on another shard-hopping story or a time travel/alternate timeline one. We've done shard-hopping stories 3 times now and I don't really trust the writers to make a good story that involves time travel anymore. .
    This ia a fair point they writers can and will make up any scenario to get us from point A to point B and yea i can agree that rehashing an repeating story beats wears off an loses its lustre and allure. thats why in my original post i put fourth the idea of us traveling to other stars/planets as a new possibility and i think thats why they are experimenting with the idea via cosmic exploration too see if players have any interest or desire to go beyond Eitherys etc.
    with us landing on a new entire planet it gives the devs a lot of room to experiment with a ton of new ideas an to build something unique and slightly more original an can give the design team new fun projects too with making new monster types and alien species not known to us lol
    an i ultimately think thats whats needed for us in the game right now is something completely new and i mean sure it could flop nothing is a guarantee to be successful Dawntrail despite its flaws was still a new experience to dive into with a completely new environment for us to see an new indigenous people to meet (not including the vanu vali that is or the moblins) so i could see them turn Meracydia into such too but its just a question of whether it would be enough to entice the audience to stay invested considering how much is already known or has been shown to us. and not leaving people with a "that's it? it just ends like that?" an leaving us with more questions than answers or worse just not even touching upon plot threads at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikkoAkure View Post
    The devs can concoct any number of reasons that we currently have no context for to get us to Meracydia. This basis for our journey to Tural was mostly just "go on adventure" with a secondary addition of "help random NPC become queen of her nation because she says her brother wants to send an army (despite Tural seemingly having no navy)".
    Well, options exist. Tiamat very probably returned there and would be well-placed to report to 'us' (likely via Vrtra) if anything untoward occurred there.
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    I mean... we could be going to Aerslant, the ancestral home of the Roegadyn. It's up north, so opposite direction to Meracydia.
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    If Dawntrail is the 'vacation' expansion, then Meracydia could be the 'road trip' expansion, a Fury Road trip. They did give us Mad Max gear after all.
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    I believe the WOL becoming fully rejoined in order to fight the last evil of the game is a valid endpoint that I wouldn’t be surprised if the game is working towards and is one I’m not opposed to but it has to be one that is handled appropriately because as with ardbert he was the one who chose to rejoin with us not the other way around

    We know that the game specifically doesn’t condone the ancients but their power wasn’t really the problem, it was their societal philosophy which we know they don’t all share (besides Azem and venat oschon is another very strong example of an ancient who holds the more modern viewpoints of the WOL)

    I can also see the WOL rejoining and then deciding to somehow forcibly split themselves back into their shards to return each of their agency to them.

    So yeah I do think ultimate rejoining is on the table but it depends on how they handle it
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I believe the WOL becoming fully rejoined in order to fight the last evil of the game is a valid endpoint that I wouldn’t be surprised if the game is working towards and is one I’m not opposed to but it has to be one that is handled appropriately because as with ardbert he was the one who chose to rejoin with us not the other way around

    We know that the game specifically doesn’t condone the ancients but their power wasn’t really the problem, it was their societal philosophy which we know they don’t all share (besides Azem and venat oschon is another very strong example of an ancient who holds the more modern viewpoints of the WOL)

    I can also see the WOL rejoining and then deciding to somehow forcibly split themselves back into their shards to return each of their agency to them.

    So yeah I do think ultimate rejoining is on the table but it depends on how they handle it
    To be honest, I hope it isn't. I'd prefer the story to focus on 'us' and who we are rather than shifting narrative to focus on our ancient identity. As Emet-Selch said, "The future you seek is not the past we loved. That is why we fought. And why I lost."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carin-Eri View Post
    To be honest, I hope it isn't. I'd prefer the story to focus on 'us' and who we are rather than shifting narrative to focus on our ancient identity. As Emet-Selch said, "The future you seek is not the past we loved. That is why we fought. And why I lost."
    I never said we were aiming to become Azem again (as in the person sundered who was Azem and not us dubiously being pseudo Azem) I was more referring to us gaining strength via soul density

    The ancients were more powerful, it’s hard to deny that, their flaw came in their world view
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carin-Eri View Post
    To be honest, I hope it isn't. I'd prefer the story to focus on 'us' and who we are rather than shifting narrative to focus on our ancient identity. As Emet-Selch said, "The future you seek is not the past we loved. That is why we fought. And why I lost."
    At the very least it seems like we are dealing with artifacts that have been left behind by Azem, which could give us insight into what Azem was doing before he met his end. That doesn't have to mean that they will roll up the entire history of the Ancients again though.
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