On Forked Tower Changes

[Router]

What I am witnessing now is that many premade parties are primarily reclear parties, which typically already have predefined rosters in place. This is expected, as the content has been released for over a month. However, since reclear parties are the majority of these premades, there are few prog groups available to those who would want to try this content, even via third-party tools. This creates another barrier to accessing this content, which I believe contradicts the very essence of what SE intended to do. I still think this content should be open to everyone who wants to try it. Therefore, it is rather disheartening to see that it is reverting to a niche so quickly.

A lot of this is due to the stupid 100 clears achievement, which for achievement minded people (a lot of raiders) gives them a big incentive to only play with clear ready groups to ramp up their clear numbers. I can't say for sure how many people would have instead gone back to help prog parties if the achievement didn't exist, but it's definitely a nonzero number.

[Supersnow845]

A lot of this is due to the stupid 100 clears achievement, which for achievement minded people (a lot of raiders) gives them a big incentive to only play with clear ready groups to ramp up their clear numbers. I can't say for sure how many people would have instead gone back to help prog parties if the achievement didn't exist, but it's definitely a nonzero number.

You can 100% see this on ABBA who’s entire bot queue system is built upon people queuing to their respective prog point and then people pull from the queue as needed which works for BA and DRS

Now 90% of the listings for forked are like “THIS IS A RECLEAR SPAM RUN NO EXTRA SANGUINITE COLLECTED IF YOU MAKE A MISTAKE ILL COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND KILL YOU WE WONT BE PULLING FROM QUEUE ITS A SIGN UP WHERE I PRIORITISE YOU BASED ON PARSES”

like way to miss the entire point of how ABBA is designed and make forked seem way more daunting than it is leaving only like 1/20 runs being fresh prog/dead stars prog

[TeresaFortell]

You can 100% see this on ABBA who’s entire bot queue system is built upon people queuing to their respective prog point and then people pull from the queue as needed which works for BA and DRS

Now 90% of the listings for forked are like “THIS IS A RECLEAR SPAM RUN NO EXTRA SANGUINITE COLLECTED IF YOU MAKE A MISTAKE ILL COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND KILL YOU WE WONT BE PULLING FROM QUEUE ITS A SIGN UP WHERE I PRIORITISE YOU BASED ON PARSES”

like way to miss the entire point of how ABBA is designed and make forked seem way more daunting than it is leaving only like 1/20 runs being fresh prog/dead stars prog

The only way to fix this is to fundamentally change the entry system entirely, which they are working on and improving, so that it would not be so daunting even to enter the tower. However, at the same time, they would have to tone down the overall difficulty, because it is still too challenging to do it without coordination at the moment.

[Supersnow845]

The only way to fix this is to fundamentally change the entry system entirely, which they are working on and improving, so that it would not be so daunting even to enter the tower. However, at the same time, they would have to tone down the overall difficulty, because it is still too challenging to do it without coordination at the moment.

That wouldn’t change anything because the problem is the majority of people who have cleared forked and still run it want the 100 clear title so they have proverbial internal justification to lock runs to other “consistent clearers”

BA works better here because there is no incentive to clear more than once

Ironically removing that 100 clear achievement would make it be cleared way less often but pugged by more people

Like ABBA is regularly getting complaints right now by people going “I want to prog forked but I’m not sure how I can when there is 1 prog run per week and 130 reclear only runs” and those endless reclear runs are being driven by the 100 clears system