Current fixes to Forked Tower is not good enough

[Yoshihara]

This is pretty much where I’m at as well. I’ve looked at the raid plans, I’ve watched some video guides, but I know myself. That’s way too much to keep in my head.

You don't have to, it all comes with practice and prog. You generally have the raid leader who has more experience making callouts (Yes they can and will make mistakes themselves they are also players trying to prog and clear / reclear the content). It's why communities around this content thrive because there are people willing to take the lead and help with callouts to remind people / explain to people what to do. Reading a guide helps because it prepares you for what you have to do, and then seeing it in person and making the mistakes (not just your own, you can learn from other people making mistakes in the runs too) is part of the experience.

[Jeeqbit]

I’ve watched some video guides, but I know myself. That’s way too much to keep in my head.

You're not meant to keep it in your head. How it works is you watch the guide, completely forget it, then when you're doing the content the brain will usually be like "what is this mechanic?" then it will search for references to it that you have seen before. It will find a vague recollection of a mention of the mechanic from the guide, and probably it'll click what you're supposed to do. If it doesn't then you learn for next time.

A lot of mechanics will also be obvious in the moment and there are callouts.

The mechanics that matter most to get right you could put into a /echo macro and use it to remind yourself of the key mechanics that aren't super obvious.

[0blivion]

Nah man, passport has been pretty good at avoiding ppl wasting my time. I think someone's prog point being shown should be a vanilla feature.

[Supersnow845]

It’s why SCH is the only healer that kinda (big on KINDA) works. Because it’s the only healer that lets you kinda play around with its healing kit and do things a little bit differently, spreadlo can still break the game in weird ways you don’t really expect. Rather than just “which bloated overpowered oGCD should I throw out”

And in true 14 fashion it’s also the healer that casual players hate

[Raikai]

I actually thought about running FT now that I have some max level phantom jobs... But like somebody else said, even Aether is with no ample Party Finder action, instead just a couple of groups referring to a Discord server for an application to join.

The logistic of making a Discord account (I quit it a while ago to 'detox' from it) and then possibly be on a queue with other people for this application that may base which phantom jobs you have maxed, and then having to commit to a schedule (the reason why I always progged Savages through the PF, my schedules are kinda messy)...

Even watching the guides beforehand, the difficulty doesn't seem more crazy than what I'm used to in High End EX and Savages, but the whole prep process to get into action is so full of steps that it made me exhausted even before trying. Maybe I'm too lazy? I think even joining Ultimates through the Party Finder is easier.

Well, for those really willing to go, it's great that the fix at the very least removed the "external factor problem" of getting into the FT.

[TaleraRistain]

I actually thought about running FT now that I have some max level phantom jobs... But like somebody else said, even Aether is with no ample Party Finder action, instead just a couple of groups referring to a Discord server for an application to join.

I've been keeping an eye out this weekend and even those have stopped appearing. All I'm seeing on that tab now on Aether are one or two random DRN runs.

[Raikai]

The above commenter vanished, but the response would be:

I honestly don't think they made the FT for the broad audience - or even casuals like myself who from time to time are invested in High End play through the Party Finder - but more likely to the same demographic to the Baldesion Arsenal back in Eureka.

I feel it worked much better back then because people had already so much to sink their teeth into with Eureka. Going through the lengths to make/join a BA party, which only featured in the very last installment, felt more like a bonus than an integral part of the existence of the zone.

[TeresaFortell]

The above commenter vanished

Not sure why that was removed, but this was the original comment:

With numerous barriers to entry for this content, one wonders if it is genuinely intended for the majority of players, for a significant amount of time is spent on every step of the way before even setting foot into FT.

I honestly don't think they made the FT for the broad audience - or even casuals like myself who from time to time are invested in High End play through the Party Finder - but more likely to the same demographic to the Baldesion Arsenal back in Eureka.

Given how FT's entry system was initially designed, I find it hard to imagine that it was not intended to cater to a broader audience. The only sufficient explanation I could imagine is that they intended for such content to last over a significant amount of time, allowing more players to become involved in FT over time.

[ChrysOCE]

Not sure why that was removed, but this was the original comment:

With numerous barriers to entry for this content, one wonders if it is genuinely intended for the majority of players, for a significant amount of time is spent on every step of the way before even setting foot into FT.




Given how FT's entry system was initially designed, I find it hard to imagine that it was not intended to cater to a broader audience. The only sufficient explanation I could imagine is that they intended for such content to last over a significant amount of time, allowing more players to become involved in FT over time.

Even with their explanation during the LL, it seems like there was just a real disparity between what they planned for and what was designed (I can only assume these are two different teams that didn't talk to each other).

I cannot imagine how anyone would think FT was ever intended for the wider player base. Yet, the initial entry method is exactly that. And, why would you not cap off OC with a raid like CLL? And so, really, there is nothing for the casual player base to level up and use their phantom jobs in.

So, what is the point in OC, for the casual player base? There is no accessible raid to use your phantom jobs in. You can't level up your normal jobs. Sure, it should be easier to get the demiatma in OC but, after that, there is no incentive to get any further relics from doing OC content. The rewards, apart from the Twirl emote, are far too easily obtainable. So, even if you were going for those, you will be done in a relatively short amount of time. Gold farming, if you want that glam, is devolved to going on WAR and spamming cannon shots. Last time i did that, 5min in and I was falling asleep.

Back to pvp, I guess...