Current fixes to Forked Tower is not good enough

[Themarvin]

Solely Based on that people is gonna be selective about players using third party sites and software to lock people out of it.

It is again not actually tossing the ball to the community and adding in a whooopsiday band aid.

Or whatever.

FFXIV team should reform the entire idea of making groups and doing content in the game for good, sorry to say so, but you need to be in touch with the player base.

a too high percentage is based in stats and if people has passed this or that.

[CNitsah]

I totally agree, but while I'm far from being part of the "If you're not happy then unsub", at this point this the only thing to do. SE has shown it's inability to react or even understand complaints. I mean, OC and FT were problems that have been discussed for over3 years and they still managed to fail at understanding the core of the complaints. They're just bad.

Their band-aid will sure help to enter FT more easily, but it's still content that catters to at best 25% of the playerbase counting the curious. This bandaid will help the people that already entered to enter again more easily but it's not gonna make that content popular. That's dead.

[Jeeqbit]

1. They are not locked out of it. They can make a PF and find 24+ people who feel the same way. If they can't find 24 people who feel the same way, then they are probably the only one that feels that way, so they need to adjust their mindset.

2. Since PFs can enter as an alliance of 48, it almost guarantees a fresh instance. Only very rarely is there gonna be a non-fresh instance with less than 25 players in, and I think they intend to make it guaranteed fresh later on. A fresh instance effectively means they are not affecting "random" PUGs.

3. Nobody is vetting others to enter FT; on the contrary the entire idea is to help anyone and everyone go from fresh to clear by carring them with callouts that make it as easy as possible to clear.

4. Some runs will not be "fresh prog". You might need to have "seen" a certain phase. If you have not seen that phase, you can join a fresh prog group instead. It's not rocket science.

5. Not being allowed to join a "certain phase" party is not exclusive to FT. It's always happened with Extreme, Savage, Ultimate, Criterion, etc. It's not hard to just join a fresh party instead if you aren't up to that phase.

6. You're effectively saying High-End raids shouldn't exist. Maybe what you could ask for instead is for the normal modes to 1. exist and 2. be more challenging but not be a phase prog. Extreme trials are pretty good at that really - I can take first timers through them and prog through to the end within the timer in many cases.

[ServerCollaps]

the changes are really nice. Runs take half the amount of time now, which is great

[Themarvin]

1. They are not locked out of it. They can make a PF and find 24+ people who feel the same way. If they can't find 24 people who feel the same way, then they are probably the only one that feels that way, so they need to adjust their mindset.

2. Since PFs can enter as an alliance of 48, it almost guarantees a fresh instance. Only very rarely is there gonna be a non-fresh instance with less than 25 players in, and I think they intend to make it guaranteed fresh later on. A fresh instance effectively means they are not affecting "random" PUGs.

3. Nobody is vetting others to enter FT; on the contrary the entire idea is to help anyone and everyone go from fresh to clear by carring them with callouts that make it as easy as possible to clear.

4. Some runs will not be "fresh prog". You might need to have "seen" a certain phase. If you have not seen that phase, you can join a fresh prog group instead. It's not rocket science.

5. Not being allowed to join a "certain phase" party is not exclusive to FT. It's always happened with Extreme, Savage, Ultimate, Criterion, etc. It's not hard to just join a fresh party instead of you aren't up to that phase.

6. You're effectively saying High-End raids shouldn't exist. Maybe what you could ask for instead is for the normal modes to 1. exist and 2. be more challenging but not be a phase prog. Extreme trials are pretty good at that really - I can take first timers through them and prog through to the end within the timer in many cases.

Stop acting like FT is high end content for starters, it is not, it is in fact quite a beat mainstream, if anything that is.

[Charred]

There was, however, side effect of "fresh" instances.
People who want to do fates\CE are left SOLOING IT!
Because their instance is guaranteed to have -48 players until tower is up, and then suddenly, it is full, but everyone inside tower.
Had it several times today. Soloing OC may be fun for some, but it feels like I am back to Eureka.

[Exmo]

What's with the tone of entitlement? They're game developers, not surgeons. Potential minor personal inconveniences hardly warrant such severity.

[Vukimukinukiduki]

I'm too lazy to do something out of the game for Forked Tower. Delubrum was perfect in that regard. No issues arose with chaotic i successfully cleared it 50 times in PF. They should've done queue for the raid instead of doing their bullshit lottery mechanic.

[Jeeqbit]

Stop acting like FT is high end content for starters, it is not, it is in fact quite a beat mainstream, if anything that is.

This is from the live letter, translated into English by Square Enix:

As for entering Forked Tower itself, the current entry method allows players to increase their chances of being selected by inserting multiple Sanguine Ciphers. We believe part of the reason why groups are having trouble reliably entering the dungeon with all of their members is the lack of a menu to see "who" inserted "how many" ciphers, so we hope to alleviate the situation by displaying this information.

Additionally, the current entry method allows players to jump in without a cipher, but this feature and the lack of a difficulty warning when unlocking Forked Tower led to conflicting mindsets between players who entered the dungeon together. To ensure that all participants understand the challenge that awaits them in Forked Tower, we will be changing entry system to always require at least one cipher from every player.

It also includes factors like death limits which is what they tend to put on "high-end" versions of content.

They confirmed that their intention was that we would figure out optimal or "braindead" strategies and then begin carrying first timers through - because that's what happens with a lot of high-end content if we're honest. But their intention was not achieved due to the entry system issues that made it hard for pre-formed groups to even get in together and made them play instance roulette and wait ages for a weather.

[Valence]

They confirmed that their intention was that we would figure out optimal or "braindead" strategies and then begin carrying first timers through - because that's what happens with a lot of high-end content if we're honest. But their intention was not achieved due to the entry system issues that made it hard for pre-formed groups to even get in together and made them play instance roulette and wait ages for a weather.

If the death limits alone as a concept like in criterion is the best they can do when it comes to making content difficult, I think this content is doomed from the start. Exactly like twice/thrice comes ruin (or worse, combined with it) is literally the embodiment of everything that's wrong with the trinity in the current state of the game.
If they design things counting on "braindead cheeses" then it is no wonder that the pve has taken such a nosedive for a while.