Thread: Forked Tower premade patch coming before 7.3

Originally Posted by Bryson

When I say do endgame, I mean clear savage and ultimates. People vehemently against discord even being an option, typically engage in neither of those (by engage I mean clear them, not just queue up).

0% of those supposed pf groups will clear if they don't use discord. Anyone thinking otherwise, hasn't cleared FT. It will 100% remain mostly organized in discords, which is fine, because discord isn't a big deal in 2025.

If their disdain for discord trumps clearing FT, so be it. Weird hill to die on imo.

This is my main character. You can look me up on Tomestone or that other forbidden site. I clear Savage, my friend.

And from what I'm hearing and why this fix has been so urgent, JP doesn't really use Discord and has been just avoiding FT because of it. So your second statement will be interesting to see what happens there when they don't have nearly the same Discord dependency that other regions have. They do rely on macros but NA and EU are also perfectly able to utlize macros and raidplans and sites like wtfdig.

Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

This is my main character. You can look me up on Tomestone or that other forbidden site. I clear Savage, my friend.

And from what I'm hearing and why this fix has been so urgent, JP doesn't really use Discord and has been just avoiding FT because of it. So your second statement will be interesting to see what happens there when they don't have nearly the same Discord dependency that other regions have. They do rely on macros but NA and EU are also perfectly able to utlize macros and raidplans and sites like wtfdig.

sorry when I say you, I don't mean you specifically.

yeah i'm speaking strictly with regards to NA. JP could macro FT into oblivion and just assign everything. Thing is, having played on JP as well when I lived there, not pulling your weight is frowned upon. The NA "you don't pay my sub" attitude wouldn't fly there.

I don't see pf clearing FT outside of discord becoming a norm on NA. There's just too much little things inside FT that discord helps with. Maybe if NA's attitudes wasn't "I can't be bothered to study up on mechs before hand" I'd feel differently.

Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Your point? What's the goalpost you want to artificially set up where someone can say they're a Savage raider? You people really are sad.

JFC the mentality of some of these posters. Actual cringe to make a claim that, cause you didnt clear in an arbitrary amount of time, your opinion is somehow less valid. Fucking spare me.

Oh, so you CAN update your game whenever you choose, SE. You can just drop the update without having to make it a "patch feature". It's amazing what this newfangled "downloading" can do. Sorry, but they get no credit from me.

First, because they had to have their metaphorical arm twisted so hard it popped out of joint by the JP community literally boycotting FT and refusing to run it.

Second, because why are they having to relearn something they already learned? That's literally one of my biggest pet peeves in the world... when people have already learned a lesson and yet continue to make the same mistake. They already fixed this in Bozja, why did this happen AGAIN?!

Originally Posted by Daralii

Normal DR had Twice-come Ruin, so it's something that pugs can overcome if there isn't a set of raise restrictions and copious body checks. The rest I agree with.

The cipher system would also be fine for a Normal mode… not much different than signing up for CLL or Dalriada in-zone for Bozja. When not attached to the hard mode version, it’s nice and immersive! I’d make it just one cipher per person, first-come, first-serve though. The cipher lottery makes no sense whatsoever for either mode.

Originally Posted by Fawkes

The entry mechanic has the option to trade more ciphers to improve your odds of getting in. The "discourteous, selfish" players are the only ones engaging with it as it was originally designed and intended. What other use could it possibly serve? If the developers had originally intended for the 'pre-made only' situation that the content is in then they likely would not have included the ability to sneak up to the pavilion and drop a fat load of ciphers to snipe a spot. This update is them acknowledging that their design didn't fit the content, and changing it.

The content clearly has an identity crisis, as it also has a means for those progressing far into the Forked Tower to spawn a mob for others to get sanguinite - allowing people to fully gear without setting foot in the tower. That you choose to weaponise an extremely antisocial disruptive act as the intended design decision and ignore the social design decisions says a lot more about you than it does about the content.

I lament that organised runs will soon not be able to help other players get sanguinite because of people that share your attitude and outlook.

Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

From what people in this thread and others have said, they're not helping others get that because they can skip the puzzle and not spawn that mob and that's become the new meta.

In regards to the OP, I've been curious since they announced it whether this would mean that each group would spawn a new instance or they would find 48 spots in an already-occupied instance. And with point 5 that comes later, I'm curious how long that timer is and if they will allow others into the instance after the timer is up. We'll probably still see a lot of the issues we currently see unless they found a way to limit the instances to just the premade. Which really would be a backend type of queue system as another poster pointed out.

Also, as someone who works in software development and goes through this myself, I think this is less they can always make emergency fixes whenever they want and someone high enough up told them get this fixed now or else no matter what that may mean for current projects. Hopefully he's right that this won't affect anything for 7.3.

Then they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Spawning the mob and the mob being killed before the group clears boss 4 gives both people (tower and non-tower) extra sanguinite. There is literal symbiosis and co-operation built into the content that encourages people to be social. In every run I've attended we have done the mob spawn for people outside of tower.

This social aspect will be lost with private instances - and if gear for the next zone requires sanguinite upgraded gear as components for further gear upgrades, the only way you're going to get that sanguinite is by joining organised runs. At the very least, those will become easier to join due to a PF and private instance.

Originally Posted by Neclord

Then they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Spawning the mob and the mob being killed before the group clears boss 4 gives both people (tower and non-tower) extra sanguinite. There is literal symbiosis and co-operation built into the content that encourages people to be social. In every run I've attended we have done the mob spawn for people outside of tower.

You are welcome to go into all the Forked Tower threads with people actively running it in Discords where they are mentioning this and argue that with them. Like Snow, he's been incredibly knowledgeable in these threads. This is from the normal mode thread.

Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Especially since the support fate spawns right before the final boss so not every forked instance reaches it and since it needs to solve the puzzle to spawn it’s actually time optimal to skip it which is a new meta I’m seeing forming the last few days

Genuinely curious, and far be it for me to ask, but why is someone who hasn't even cleared the tier yet being so condescending?