Thread: Forked Tower premade patch coming before 7.3

If they make a normal mode I would interact with it, but all this does is move FT even further into the realm of exclusive discord commmunities.

Reading through a lot of the posts in this thread, there are a lot of disingenuous and facetious posts about "FT being hardcore content" and "Discord servers being toxic elitists that gate the community".

I am in over a dozen of these communities and there is minor overlap in between all of them, as people have a tendency to want to stick to one prog / reclear community, but are free to join other communities to prog and clear with them.
Out of all of these only 1 or 2 of them are only interested in clears / reclears, of which they only hold runs once a week or have dispersed into the other communities.

Almost all of the public communities that welcome new players of all skill levels. The difficulty of Forked Tower is that of "Extreme" difficulty, not even Savage, however does have the problem of Chaotic Alliance where one person with the mechanic going into the wrong place can wipe all 48 people, or some janky moments where a role doing the thing a specific time with certain variables will wipe all 48 people. Almost every single one of the communities hold both public fresh and proglocked runs to help new players into the content and assist players already invested in the content at their prog points. None of the communities gatekeep people out of the content and only request you join voice chat (no talking required) so you can hear callouts and instructions / explanations.

Frustration over "Sniping" has always been an issue that should be remedied by this hotfix, because you are removing the time and frustration required to get into the instance and engage with the content. People get to play the game as opposed to trying to play the game. The other thread where someone complained that they were intentionally killed by a tank buster after sniping has had the raid leader actually turn up in the thread and provide their statement on what actually happened (Player was lying and was intentionally being uncooperative and refusing to communicate even though members of the community tried on multiple occasions to reach out to them). Getting wiped by the sniper who joins and doesn't know what they're doing is always a risk, and it is not the responsibility or the 47 other players to rez you if you are a liability who refuses to communicate.

Just because there are many of you in an MMO who are anti-social and difficult people who are professional victims does not mean that these communities are gatekeeping or being elitist about it - in fact the complete opposite. I've seen players who struggle with MSQ / normal raids take part in the runs, yes they're on the floor a lot, but in no way are they unwelcome from runs that correlate with their prog point. If anything almost every single FT community is not gatekeeping, but throwing the gates wide open and providing an avenue in which anyone can engage with it - you just simply have to ask, and you will be invited in.

Originally Posted by Yoshihara

Reading through a lot of the posts in this thread, there are a lot of disingenuous and facetious posts about "FT being hardcore content" and "Discord servers being toxic elitists that gate the community".

If anything almost every single FT community is not gatekeeping, but throwing the gates wide open and providing an avenue in which anyone can engage with it - you just simply have to ask, and you will be invited in.

I've found communities arent toxic sure, but they are gates. Everyone ive joined before was bot run mostly, so wanna join as a light party or more of friends? good luck. That works for cll/del/dali but not here. This fix sorta sorta stops that, but if it obviously needs call outs where a macro/s.e. are insufficient- its Hardcore content.
Everyone is bending over backward defending FT, which has entry/design this entire game was built around removing (that being you are supposed to have trouble communicating with the randoms to barely clear 2 fights when it pops, you are supposed to wipe for months, its baked in for content longevity). It makes no sense to me.

Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

Again, if content is designed where it needs guides, callouts and you must be in discord to clear - it shouldn't exist. No content should be added or designed that is unable to be completed in-game with the system's in-game. Period.

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I have no words other than I am glad I never have to interact with someone in game with this attitude ever.

Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

Again, if content is designed where it needs guides, callouts and you must be in discord to clear - it shouldn't exist. No content should be added or designed that is unable to be completed in-game with the system's in-game. Period.

So extremes shouldnt exist either? Because you got Guides etc too, and i say it again you dont need to be in discord anymore just opener you random partyfinder group and good is

Originally Posted by Aniise

Wow, another person giving raiders a bad name. You realize you're doing the people you are claiming to be superior to all other players a big disservice by your behavior?
And at the same time, you criticize others social skills. Congrats, I guess you really mastered the art of projection.

Some people on this forum, I swear...

Hit the nail on the head, thank you for calling out this behavior.

Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Well I do endgame and I'm against using Discord as well because I don't feel like we really need it so it should be treated like an optional tool and when content is designed to push people toward it exclusively that's bad design. It will remain to be seen after this update if we start to see PF groups for OC or if it will remain mostly organized in Discords.

When I say do endgame, I mean clear savage and ultimates. People vehemently against discord even being an option, typically engage in neither of those (by engage I mean clear them, not just queue up).

0% of those supposed pf groups will clear if they don't use discord. Anyone thinking otherwise, hasn't cleared FT. It will 100% remain mostly organized in discords, which is fine, because discord isn't a big deal in 2025.

If their disdain for discord trumps clearing FT, so be it. Weird hill to die on imo.