Materia - Bismarck - Eastern La Noscea

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I didn't expect it when Yoshi-PR's team mentioned they'll introduce more 'stress' into the game, they were talking about introducing friction between players.

Yes, I'm placing the blame at the devs for whatever reason never expecting their mmo players to behave like... mmo players... you know... gathering... being social... at one popular/trending spot, etc. The sad part is ofc, having attracted the wrong kind of players, means these same players would just blame their fellow players instead of demanding the devs to better their service. Then when the fire dies down, we're back at square one waiting for the next social gathering which may inevitably lead to another server clogging. Round and round we goooo....

Oh yeah, what's that? Oops my bad, please understand the cost. /s

[ObscuraFi]

this is in no way the fault of the event creator.

Yes and no. That's what NA has a tough time grasping. If you were to talk in IRL situations, there is liability on the event organizer for safety precuations to make sure noone is harmed at the event, to make sure that event does not damage the city in some way, etc. etc. From an objective standpoint, we've had a year this didn't happen before, but, in Feri's defense, this didn't happen the last time they hosted an event. So it's an unintended circumstance that has, well, arguable foresight possible, because it was advertised/attended by people who have 5-10k+ followers on twitter so it was known it could cap, but people staying afterward is an unknown so that's person to person interpretation.

The main issue comes in the question of why the damage wasn't mitigated afterward. Does Feri have direct control over hundreds/thousands of people, no, but, they did support and like them enough to show up in the first place to make the event, so out of the same respect/admiration, you would expect a subset to listen to Feri to help mitigate the problem, or to use the giant collective audience of tens of thousands of people on twitter to come together and find a solution. You can create a discord with 2k+ people within a week and cap out 10+ syncshells, hosting giveaways and regular reminders to compress files, various ppl put all this effort into organizing and facilitating this event, but the effort is blank when Bismarck people have complaints. It comes across as a primarily organized and ran event by NA players, that are entitled to Bismarck's resources and do not care about natives. That's how it comes across. If people spent as much effort finding a way to break off/split the population instead of acting like problems didn't exist and attacking Bismarck players on twitter and bluesky, this topic would've already disappeared.

[iGyro]

Yes and no. That's what NA has a tough time grasping. If you were to talk in IRL situations, there is liability on the event organizer for safety precuations to make sure noone is harmed at the event, to make sure that event does not damage the city in some way, etc. etc. From an objective standpoint, we've had a year this didn't happen before, but, in Feri's defense, this didn't happen the last time they hosted an event. So it's an unintended circumstance that has, well, arguable foresight possible, because it was advertised/attended by people who have 5-10k+ followers on twitter so it was known it could cap, but people staying afterward is an unknown so that's person to person interpretation.

The main issue comes in the question of why the damage wasn't mitigated afterward.

Here's the problem and I'll defend Feri here. He didn't know this event would spiral out of control with people converting this event into a giant social hub. Should he told people to go home after a day or two? Sure, but when a crowd gets beyond a certain size, you're going to attract bad-faith actors who will stay there and continue to party regardless. This is beyond the event organizer's control and you cannot blame them for it. I do believe Game Masters need to go after the bad faith actors involved in this situation, but Square Enix is really at fault for this problem existing in the first place.

I don't know why we dodge this issue time and time again, especially when we tried to address this problem years ago with NTT resulting in the 2+ year "DDoS" spree on the data centers.

I've assisted with hunt trains and even conducted hunt trains on Primal. On the release of Dawntrail, we struggled to get 500+ people through the instances. We had to take 5 minute max pitstops per instance because servers were having a tantrum. People left midway through these 7.0 trains, because it take nearly two hours to complete 36 marks. I remember on a few occasions of people disconnecting or the instance entirely crashing because there were too many people loading in at once.

Why is it relevant? Because even in Dawntrail zones, the instances can't even house several hundred players in a single server. The client alone massively drops your frames if you're rendering 50+ people at a time.

[ObscuraFi]

This is beyond the event organizer's control and you cannot blame them for it.

"On August 4, 2023, at approximately 3:30 p.m., American Internet personality Kai Cenat held an event—supposedly a giveaway of gaming-related items in New York City's Union Square—without a permit. He had posted several announcements a few days prior, stating that his partners Fanum, Duke Dennis, and Agent00 would be with him. Anyone who could adequately answer questions related to YouTube and live streaming would be given a prize. The event, which drew thousands of participants to Union Square Park, became a riot. Social media posts of the event surfaced around the same time. During the riot, 7 people were injured, and 65 people, including 30 minors, were arrested. The neighborhood's subway station and surrounding stores closed during the incident.

Cenat was taken into police custody by the New York City Police Department during the riot and was charged with inciting a riot and unlawful assembly. These charges were dropped by the Manhattan district attorney's office once he paid $55,000 in restitution. He appeared in court on August 16 and 18. His business partners at Any Means Possible apologized for the riot. Cenat also apologized in a live stream on August 9. The incident led to discussion and debate in several publications, such as NPR and Wired, about the influence of Internet personalities."

[Astronis]

Possible additional solution to Bismark's visitor woes here--force log-out travelers and such after 30 minutes AFK. I'll hazard a guess that enough people are AFK that long at this gathering that introducing such a condition would alleviate some of the congestion and let the locals use their home.

[iGyro]

Possible additional solution to Bismark's visitor woes here--force log-out travelers and such after 30 minutes AFK. I'll hazard a guess that enough people are AFK that long at this gathering that introducing such a condition would alleviate some of the congestion and let the locals use their home.

That isn't going to work with how easy those methods can be countermeasured.

[Astronis]

That isn't going to work with how easy those methods can be countermeasured.

That introduces intent. People who intentionally game systems in order to avoid being logged can be treated differently than people who are just playing as the game allows.

Maybe auto-log just needs to be reintroduced across the board. Easier than trying to program a separate function for visitors.

[ObscuraFi]

That isn't going to work with how easy those methods can be countermeasured.

This, event is primarily from ppl who use 3rd party software regularly which has anti-afk methods already. You'd need something stricter like "you can only visit OCE for x amount of hours each day" if you wanted to go the kick off the world route. Which I think is too extreme for Bismarck. They didn't even go that far for Aether when people wouldn't log out.

[caffe_macchiato]

There’s an easy solution: camp out and wait for them to blab about their mods. Then report. Also be sure to check every adventure plate. Any bad words or sexual poses are bannable. Many people have already been reported and banned, but it isn’t enough.

If you don’t do something to cleanse our game of degenerate filth, you have no right to complain. Get to work!

[Astronis]

There’s an easy solution: camp out and wait for them to blab about their mods. Then report. Also be sure to check every adventure plate. Any bad words or sexual poses are bannable. Many people have already been reported and banned, but it isn’t enough.

If you don’t do something to cleanse our game of degenerate filth, you have no right to complain. Get to work!

The locals have to be able to get in to camp out and wait for someone to start running their mouth. That said, any who can get in should absolutely do this.