On this day a year ago, Plunge was taken from us (and other Job Identity)

[Zairava]

As someone who initially really liked the new gapcloser I gotta say.

Yeah, I be missing plunge.

And job identity was being stripped long before Plunge, though it's been a trip seeing that Plunge is the straw that broke the camel's back for many people

[Milea]

Give back dots and egi being able to attack and defend.

But yea I agree much job identity is being lost

[Mercury_Grey]

We wouldn't want to screw up our rotation

ahhh yes the rotation of press the shiny buttos, press OGCDs ad randomly slamming the greatsword like we telling the boss "I said no hory"

[Valence]

ahhh yes the rotation of press the shiny buttos, press OGCDs ad randomly slamming the greatsword like we telling the boss "I said no hory"

We wouldn't want to actually consolidate the depth of jobs

[bundythenoob]

I actually removed both """"gap closers"""" from my DRK/DRG hotbars. they straight up feel like an insult to the old designs and a complete waste of resources imo. I'd rather pull with Unmend and minmax my Elusive Jumps

I was SERIOUSLY let down after I logged back into my SMN alt and noticed that 3/4 of my hotbars were greyed out. i REFUSE to update it, I'd rather the memories of ShB SMN live in my mind




If I close my eyes, I can still hear Dark Arts...

[Shurrikhan]

And job identity was being stripped long before Plunge, though it's been a trip seeing that Plunge is the straw that broke the camel's back for many people

It generally hasn't been "the [final] straw", though. This has just been the latest protest against vertebral damage, with compounding importance the fewer disks we have left. We saw similar responses with almost every featural/expressive removal prior.

[Rinoa_353]

I miss old DRG, I was a DRG main since I started in Fall 2015 but now I have been playing more as a DNC for DPS roles.

[Absurdity]

I dimly remember them saying that they were going to replace Intervene and Onslaught too, just that DRK and GNB were first in line because they had the busiest full burst windows.

Been a while but I needed to pick this back up again.
Because if that's the case they better replace those with new oGCDs on top of whatever movement tools they plan for the two jobs.

You may not agree with it but you can at least understand the reasoning behind moving the gap closers out of the burst windows of GnB and DrK, two jobs who already had stuffed burst.
But removing them from Warrior and Paladin, who already feel like barren GCD spam even during their burst, would be completely awful.
Granted Dark Knight also suffers from this issue outside of burst windows but the entire rework was a disaster in hindsight, it's mindless 1-2-3 filler spam for a majority of your gameplay.

So they're probably going to do it and replace them with nothing.

[Shurrikhan]

You may not agree with it but you can at least understand the reasoning behind moving the gap closers out of the burst windows of GnB and DrK, two jobs who already had stuffed burst.

I mean, the first is a reason to increase the potency of Shadowbringers by an Edge (on primary target) and Flood (on all other enemies) but give it a 3000-MP cost and massively increase Syphon Strike MP regen in compensation, shifting that 2 actions per 2 minute out of window while also replacing the 3 APM lost to the removal of Plunge and Blood Weapon outside of the burst window with additional Edge casts. Instead, rather than moving the APM, it simply deleted it.

Meanwhile, high burst APM is essentially the identity of Gunbreaker, and most "mobility issue" that could be "caused" by having damage attached to its gap-closer could be solved by having Rough Divide always act as if affected by No Mercy or by having No Mercy affect only weaponskills, with due potency adjustments in either case, reducing its banking incentive to just that of raid buffs (very small) rather than its far larger self-buff. (The same could be said perhaps for Intervene on PLD.)