The new player experience and how FFXIV fails as an MMO.

[Altina_Orion]

Get real people, the story drives the game but if it was purely a story game, it would have been dead long ago. The game survives by making you stay subscribed for 4 month periods between 6 hours of story. I don't know how people can't understand this.

And yes, as a new player looking for an MMO, they almost certainly wont make it to the endgame unless they bet on a story skip unless they also like 500 long visual novels. If the story was as story driven as you people claim, a monthly sub would not be justified.

[Arohk]

In other mmos you can play the msq together?

yes.
depends on how much focus they put on the story or what type of quests they contain, mainly in WoW playing and leveling together is also encouraged.
Most quests contain kill xx- amount of enemies, which doesnt even exists in FFXIV

[Mawlzy]

Get real people, the story drives the game but if it was purely a story game, it would have been dead long ago. The game survives by making you stay subscribed for 4 month periods between 6 hours of story. I don't know how people can't understand this.

And yes, as a new player looking for an MMO, they almost certainly wont make it to the endgame unless they bet on a story skip unless they also like 500 long visual novels. If the story was as story driven as you people claim, a monthly sub would not be justified.

Sure, it's not purely a story game. FF14 includes the other critical element common to all successful MMOs.

Fishing.

[Arohk]

They mentioned it during Endwalker but quickly went back on it saying that they wish the players to experience the entire story.

you can experience the story just fine, even if you cut out all the filler crap, there are lot of quests that add no substance to the story and are only there to waste your time, that is so obvious, like all the nonsense of running through the entire dungeon again with your slow mount in Endwalker.

[KageTokage]

yes.
depends on how much focus they put on the story or what type of quests they contain, mainly in WoW playing and leveling together is also encouraged.
Most quests contain kill xx- amount of enemies, which doesnt even exists in FFXIV

I did always find it kind of weird that the hunt logs/bills are basically the only thing that makes you interact with the random overworld enemies for the most part as an average quest typically just makes you go to a designated location that will automatically spawn the things you need to kill for the quest.

ARR is the only part of the game I can recall that fairly regularly made you have to fight said enemies in normal quests.

[Absurdity]

I think the new player experience is great for someone that is looking to play a Final Fantasy game, because honestly that's what it is.

That is debatable.
If someone wants to play a Final Fantasy story game I can think of quite a few I would recommend instead.
More focused experiences with fully voiced main stories and not as much pointless filler, while also offering deeper mechanics and combat.

If someone really wants a modern Final Fantasy game I'd tell them to play Expedition 33 instead... and then maybe the VII remake.

[Daralii]

That is debatable.
If someone wants to play a Final Fantasy story game I can think of quite a few I would recommend instead.
More focused experiences with fully voiced main stories and not as much pointless filler, while also offering deeper mechanics and combat.

If someone really wants a modern Final Fantasy game I'd tell them to play Expedition 33 instead... and then maybe the VII remake.

The 7R series has the issue of being a full series of games that are actually weird meta sequels to 7, which is such a humongous game that I'm not convinced they'll actually get through all of it. Sticking within the IP, I'd recommend the pixel remasters(or even the 3D remakes of 3 and 4) and the PS1 games first and foremost.

[Kandraxx]

yes.
depends on how much focus they put on the story or what type of quests they contain, mainly in WoW playing and leveling together is also encouraged.
Most quests contain kill xx- amount of enemies, which doesnt even exists in FFXIV

The Defias questline from Vanilla WoW in itself is better story, storytelling and pacing than FF14 MSQ from start to end. And that's like 0.1% of the game.

[Chelsei]

The Defias questline from Vanilla WoW in itself is better story, storytelling and pacing than FF14 MSQ from start to end. And that's like 0.1% of the game.

If you like bad story sure. I take FFXIV MSQ any time over that stupid questline and don't even make me tell what i think about the following of it at Cataclysm.

[Chasingstars]

The Defias questline from Vanilla WoW in itself is better story, storytelling and pacing than FF14 MSQ from start to end. And that's like 0.1% of the game.

The defias storyline is more a zone questline that is also multimedia, such as with comics, which people do criticize blizzard for when it comes to important story moments that are not within the game itself.