Forked Tower: Blood Needs A Normal Mode

[Gurgeh]

If what you want is an echo chamber then go somewhere else. You're in a public forum, you're going to have to get comfortable with people disagreeing with you, especially here.

The hypocrisy.
Take your own advice. Then don't even be surprised that people get 'toxic' (actually just angry) about the likes of what we've been witnessing with the game since post EW.

My real take, that actually there is nothing wrong. I react, go and have a cup of tea, you react go and have a monster drink or whatever, I react, and life goes on here or elsewhere.
You did disappointment me with that. Your not obligated to give a damn though. That's for you to react to or not.

[Evermomo]

I wonder if difficulty is the entire problem. If you had to pay x amount of gil or tomes to enter the alliance raids, and they kicked everyone out of the instance after a wipe and made you wait 30m to an hour to attempt them again, would I play them? Does anybody actually want that experience?

I think if you stand to lose something for even trying, it's telling a lot of people "don't bother." And if you then say, "well, the cost isn't even that big of a deal." Then why have it? If players are punished for working together and letting strangers into their groups, then they won't want to do it.

That means Forked Tower wasn't really the "field content" the player base was waiting for; it's another chaotic raid with incredibly frustrating entry conditions. Most of the difficulty is felt in the wasted time & resources you incur with failure. If it let you keep trying/change your phantom job indefinitely, I think it could still be difficult. But I want difficult content to be difficult in the challenge it represents, not in the inconvenience it represents.

That being said, I'm still going to try to join a group and clear it when I'm finished upgrading my gear. I wanted more content I could jump in and explore/experience blind without harming other players' experience of the game, but I could only play a few hours a night. By the time even a few days went by, the culture was already "join a group and study a guide, or you're griefing." I'll capitulate to that because it is what it is, but it wasn't what I was hoping for.

[Voidmage]

There definitely should have been both difficulties and frankly whoever is against that is just gatekeeping one side.

Neither casual nor hardcore raiders should have their content cut, be it a CLL type raid or an ultimate.
You think FT is easy? Cool.
You think Discord is fun? All fine.
You think Ultimate is a waste of ressources? Your opinion but ok.
But no one has the right to decide what is more important or to deny players their content like a normal mode or an ultimate.

There is absolutely no reason not for Forked tower to have both difficulties and even less now after all this feedback.
Instead we got an „we TRY for the next one“.

I am frankly annoyed by the excuses from devs and community at this point.
The devs had time, even the patch cycles are longer now and if they juggle devs between projects that’s on them and shouldn’t be excused by the customer.
CLL is still done, DR is still done, no matter how some try to say otherwise and frankly even if not, a DR had more clear rates than a DRS so that is also not an argument I longer accept given that the devs didn’t give a damn about how long other content lasted in the past (Eureka Orthos anyone?)
You want content to stay alive? Put in in a stupid roulette or make it give something weekly that players could want.

No, content shouldn’t force people into Discord even if the people there are nice and only try to help.
It should be accepted that a part of the playerbase wants to do content ingame, period, especially after we come from the predecessor of that content that actually allowed it.

Don’t cut one side of the content down, don’t hide behind the argument of dev size or time any longer because this isn’t a small indi MMO but a Final Fantasy mainline title and FFVII is not the only title that deserves everything to get pumped into it.

Quite frankly, they have to step up their game because otherwise DT could become for the casual playerbase what HW was for the raiding scene.


My sub ran out and I will watch how 7.3 is received and what it entails before deciding any further.

I am out and for now will only watch from the sidelines.
The FT answer from the liveletter was a huge disappointment for me.
Do whatever with this post here, it will probably be my last one for the foreseeable future if not forever.

[CaptainLagbeard]

What it really needs is the ability to enter it without going through the Occult Crescent.

[Themarvin]

And hard mode ( the current mode of it ) should not give any additional benefits other than perhaps the possibility for an additional mount or something, there is being done to little for the general population of this game as it is.

[Espon]

While they won't do it, they could do something like this:

The Hard version is queued up for outside of the instance.
Normal version queuing is as how it currently works except a minimum number of ciphers are no longer required. Giving a cipher guarantees you'll be given a spot, otherwise it just takes up to 48 random people standing on the platform.

Hard version has no changes inside the dungeon.
Normal mode no longer has a resurrection limit and respawning after a wipe will just put you back at the beginning of the Forked Tower where a teleporter will take you back to before or after the last boss you were at, allowing you to keep trying until the time limit expires. Experience isn't lost inside the dungeon.

I kinda like having the dungeon more difficult than your typical alliance raid, although some mechanics could be nerfed or changed so that a single player doesn't cause a wipe.

I dunno what the reward structure would be since one already exists. I guess less sanguinite and no achievement mount. Perhaps add something extra to hard mode.

[Supersnow845]

One idea I had that (for me at least) would massively improve the flow of OC even if it didn’t give us forked normal is to better use the support fate

Already the support fate doesn’t function like BA where it’s actually needed for completion, it’s just kinda a way to spawn pity sanguinite for everyone

So take the current support fate and slightly retool it. Instead make it the cap fate for the zone. It can only be spawned if every other fate in the zone has at day been spawned and defeating it rewards 10 sanguinite

So that way it encourages progressing the zone by seeking out CE’s that haven’t spawned yet and gives people a way to get +2 that’s actually on a realistic time schedule that doesn’t need forked tower (as chasing the current support fate for sanguinite will take you years to get gear)

At least that way there’s an active goal being worked towards by the zone that doesn’t dead end at forked tower

[missTori]

just want to add that gurgeh is some kind of newest forum troll, he's been unhinged on here for months and i just ignore him.

[Gurgeh]

just want to add that gurgeh is some kind of newest forum troll, he's been unhinged on here for months and i just ignore him.

I'm...
The worlds first... 'E-gonzo-parasocialite!'

It's amazing how the internet and social media had given rise to the need to be able to categorise everything no matter how mundane with a sound byte that can be quickly typed into twitch chat or represented with an emote.

[Saraide]

just want to add that gurgeh is some kind of newest forum troll, he's been unhinged on here for months and i just ignore him.

I genuinely dont think they're trolling. The crashout seems to have started with chaotic when they got kicked out for proglying. Just an honest to god meltdown.