Forked Tower: Blood Needs A Normal Mode

[Khryseis_Astra]

It would also be nice if the TT card was added to the sanguinite shop… pretty much everything you can buy in there aside from a couple furnishings already drops randomly from chests, including the 99 sanguinite shark mount which has an insanely high drop rate judging from both how many I’ve gotten, and their price on the market board! lol

But one of the biggest reasons I’d like a Normal mode is I’d like to go in there and explore… get the survey point field notes and hopefully the other ones too (5 total in the Tower). And I’d like the experience of using the special phantom jobs skills for certain areas and/or bosses without having the rez restriction over my head, or the chance to make a mistake that makes 47 other people waste their time. Those two things are the biggest pressure points for me about FTB as it is now. Remove those things and make it so mistakes don’t equal game over, and I’d probably find it fun to die a thousand times while learning what to do, like I did in Bozja! lol

[AmiableApkallu]

Regardless I was more thinking about if peoples problems were about the zone leading to a wall or the cap dungeon being too hard as being the actual problem

What I miss is combat content that exists in between "N uncoordinated, solo players vibing" and "please join Discord, pencil in a run, and while you wait, learn your lines in the script, make sure you have the required costume, and please don't flub a line and get half the room killed."

[ServerCollaps]

If the mechanics in your game cant be reliably conveyed without needing a third party voice program to coordinate them you've failed at game design.

the callout is literally just "dont greed" 90% of time, lol

[RuriStone]

the callout is literally just "dont greed" 90% of time, lol

That could easily be typed out. So what you're saying is discord groups are pointless and raiders attempt to exclude casuals from an easy raid for no good reason?

edit: Wow I did not see that coming at all I am so shocked and surprised by this.

[Jeeqbit]

That could easily be typed out. So what you're saying is discord groups are pointless and raiders attempt to exclude casuals from an easy raid for no good reason?

Role assignment. Group assignment. No guarantee there are important roles without it being organized. SE could potentially address that by making a UI where people "apply" to carry out key roles and join a specific alliance party maybe (so make actual alliances like in an Alliance Raid so everyone knows for certain where they are standing).

Getting enough people is another issue that Discord solves. There's no guarantee that 24+ people want to do it. This wasn't an issue with Delubrum Reginae because before Echo was added, it wasn't restricted by weather and you could wait 30 mins for it to match 24 people. It wasn't an issue with Dalriada, which I recall was duo'd pretty quick after release? So if SE is going to require so many people, it's going to make it harder to PUG without Discord. They could have a zone-wide queue system like all the Bozja normal modes had to help maximize the number of random participants.

A lot of the mechanics are actually telegraphed like in dungeons. But then you have to think, people die even to the last boss of Skydeep Cenote despite it being entirely telegraphed. It's just that with a lot going on and limited rez, the callouts are going to help casuals avoid dying 3 times. Discord really is to help casuals more than anything, because some really good hardcore raider would be able to work out the mechanics if they'd ever done content blind and learned how to use their eyes.

The reminder to not care about DPS is standard in this sort of content purely because the damage output isn't normally important. Most people's goal is to either clear and get the mount or currency rewards, or get the rewards to augment their gear. Either way, they're more likely to achieve that goal if they focus on mechanics over risky slide casting and greed, which is a common habit among players. To be honest, people are more likely to hear than to read in the middle of a battle.

Most likely if SE did the above things and also removed the limited rez it would at least help it be more like Delubrum Reginae normal though. If they even did half those things it might make it more likely to be pugged.

As it stands, the design doesn't make sense for an organized group OR a PUG full of randoms that aren't on discord and it's just strange that this error was made when SE has run this game since 2010, and let's throw in FF11 before that since a lot of their team worked on that too.

[Mawlzy]

Discord really is to help casuals more than anything...

Oh Jeeqbit. That's adorable.

I'm going to screenshot and print that and hang it on my wall. That way I'll remember you when I'm gone.

[AyumiCosplayGlam]

I would again, remind everyone here that nowhere did YoshiP said that this version IS the Savage mode.
In their mind this might as well be the normal and they thought we want a savage in top of this lmao.

[Jeeqbit]

Oh Jeeqbit. That's adorable.

I'm going to screenshot and print that and hang it on my wall. That way I'll remember you when I'm gone.

I'm just being honest. Most casual gamers have Discord, so clicking a Discord link is extremely trivial for them. I realize there are exceptions, but if I talk to an average casual player in the game and ask them for their Discord username, they will have one.

[Mawlzy]

I'm just being honest. Most casual gamers have Discord, so clicking a Discord link is extremely trivial for them. I realize there are exceptions, but if I talk to an average casual player in the game and ask them for their Discord username, they will have one.

Yes, I have one. I lead mod a Discord. And having sampled Discords devoted to FFXIV I would never join another.

But I do believe you are being honest; it's why there is actual value in discussing topics with you.

[RuriStone]

As it stands, the design doesn't make sense for an organized group OR a PUG full of randoms that aren't on discord and it's just strange that this error was made when SE has run this game since 2010, and let's throw in FF11 before that since a lot of their team worked on that too.

Yeah most of this sounds very reasonable until you meet the raiders calling people leeches, snipers and anti-social just for accessing the content available to them in-game. I don't agree with basing how 'good' a player someone is on if they perform all the mechs in a normal dungeon correctly for a crap ton of reasons to do with irl disturbances, forgetting the dungeons, simply being tired from work or illness that day etc. It's just mostly bs gatekeeping that perpetuates this attitude that some are bad and some are good with the help of third party tools (I've played with both casuals and raiders and not seen much difference at all in their play, the worst players i've ever encountered were in pf joining my savage parties when someone in the static couldn't make it and I STILL gave them a good chance to play before giving up on them). You just can't know how someone will play in this raid in the OC till you're actually there doing it with them. If people are purposely playing badly then yeh don't play with them again no issue blacklist is a good tool but I think chances of that actually happening when like you say people do want the mounts, gear, clear etc are really low but the chances of people accusing others of being bad players so that they can make themselves appear to be better is incredibly high speaking from personal experience from playing with people online in competitive games for years.

Everything else you said though I agree with SE have messed up and are now losing even more subscribers. I think they need to play their own game in the West to see what it's really like being a player like me just trying to do stuff in this game because I would bet hugely it's very different to how it is over in Japan.
I believe everyone and anyone who can try this content should try this content in or out of discord (their choice) but it doesn't matter what I think anymore anyway since i'm leaving it behind now. I am just a faintly echoing reminder of how the game used to be or how it could have been if people were a bit better to each other.