Forked Tower: Blood Needs A Normal Mode

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If the mechanics in your game cant be reliably conveyed without needing a third party voice program to coordinate them you've failed at game design.

the callout is literally just "dont greed" 90% of time, lol

[RuriStone]

the callout is literally just "dont greed" 90% of time, lol

That could easily be typed out. So what you're saying is discord groups are pointless and raiders attempt to exclude casuals from an easy raid for no good reason?

edit: Wow I did not see that coming at all I am so shocked and surprised by this.

[Jeeqbit]

That could easily be typed out. So what you're saying is discord groups are pointless and raiders attempt to exclude casuals from an easy raid for no good reason?

Role assignment. Group assignment. No guarantee there are important roles without it being organized. SE could potentially address that by making a UI where people "apply" to carry out key roles and join a specific alliance party maybe (so make actual alliances like in an Alliance Raid so everyone knows for certain where they are standing).

Getting enough people is another issue that Discord solves. There's no guarantee that 24+ people want to do it. This wasn't an issue with Delubrum Reginae because before Echo was added, it wasn't restricted by weather and you could wait 30 mins for it to match 24 people. It wasn't an issue with Dalriada, which I recall was duo'd pretty quick after release? So if SE is going to require so many people, it's going to make it harder to PUG without Discord. They could have a zone-wide queue system like all the Bozja normal modes had to help maximize the number of random participants.

A lot of the mechanics are actually telegraphed like in dungeons. But then you have to think, people die even to the last boss of Skydeep Cenote despite it being entirely telegraphed. It's just that with a lot going on and limited rez, the callouts are going to help casuals avoid dying 3 times. Discord really is to help casuals more than anything, because some really good hardcore raider would be able to work out the mechanics if they'd ever done content blind and learned how to use their eyes.

The reminder to not care about DPS is standard in this sort of content purely because the damage output isn't normally important. Most people's goal is to either clear and get the mount or currency rewards, or get the rewards to augment their gear. Either way, they're more likely to achieve that goal if they focus on mechanics over risky slide casting and greed, which is a common habit among players. To be honest, people are more likely to hear than to read in the middle of a battle.

Most likely if SE did the above things and also removed the limited rez it would at least help it be more like Delubrum Reginae normal though. If they even did half those things it might make it more likely to be pugged.

As it stands, the design doesn't make sense for an organized group OR a PUG full of randoms that aren't on discord and it's just strange that this error was made when SE has run this game since 2010, and let's throw in FF11 before that since a lot of their team worked on that too.

[yesnt]

i think its very accessible for randoms, once you can queue for it. There are sooo many newbie prog groups. Just get over your social anxiety and join a discord, its an mmorpg in the end and not a single player game

I am one of the people who do not want to schedule their personal life around a game. I want a normal, accessible mode so I can play when I am in the mood and have time for it. So, no, this discord culture isn't an option. Nothing to do with anxiety.

[Khryseis_Astra]

i think its very accessible for randoms, once you can queue for it. There are sooo many newbie prog groups. Just get over your social anxiety and join a discord, its an mmorpg in the end and not a single player game

I’m not looking for a single player/solo experience… Normal mode would still be a 48-person dungeon, but puggable. It was done better in Bozja with CLL, Dalriada, DRN, and to go back to a BA style instance, especially in the middle of the content, was a bad choice.

I want a Normal mode, because it belongs in this type of content, first and foremost. But beyond that, it’s not even about “social anxiety.” If I have no other option, I’ll eventually do it. The hassle of scheduling is one reason I haven’t done BA. It annoys me that I’m missing out on whatever story bits that entailed, but at least it wasn’t right in the middle of the content!

But social anxiety aside, first off, there are players that don’t feel like they are skilled enough to go through content with a rez restriction. For my part, I know I spend more time on the floor than not while I’m learning anything new, and the time commitment to both schedule and prog this is a bit too much when I’ll probably strike out on my 3 rez limit, at least once if not more. I’ll wait until a clear is practically guaranteed, but I’m sure the next zone will be out by then. Secondly, for players not confident in their skill level to begin with, no one wants to be that one person who makes the raid-wiping mistake, causing others to waste all the time they put into it. That prospect alone makes it daunting.

But in the end, all other arguments aside, there needs to be an option for those who just care about the story of the zone. Not everyone wants a challenge. There should be a path for both those who do and those that don’t. Especially in what is arguably one of the most popular pieces of content for more casual players.

[Gurgeh]

(agreed with OP, cancel ultimate completely. Cancel the next savage tear. Do what you have to to make it happen without losing more casual content. But make it happen.
Yes people will be pissed. But it's bad enough that that might be the only option. Or stop housing demolition so people can unsub while you pause everything else and get caught up. Then resume other content when FT norman drops.
Redo Cloud while your at it to get rid of the body checks. Incentivise raid/duty finder for prog.
The fact you won't is an indication of just how much you don't get it, and the fact that people don't seriously expect you to in 1,000,000 years indicates how rock bottom their expectations are.)

[Volgia]

(agreed with OP, cancel ultimate completely. Cancel the next savage tear. Do what you have to to make it happen without losing more casual content. But make it happen.
Yes people will be pissed. But it's bad enough that that might be the only option. Or stop housing demolition so people can unsub while you pause everything else and get caught up. Then resume other content when FT norman drops.
Redo Cloud while your at it to get rid of the body checks. Incentivise raid/duty finder for prog.
The fact you won't is an indication of just how much you don't get it, and the fact that people don't seriously expect you to in 1,000,000 years indicates how rock bottom their expectations are.)

And they call savage players toxic lmao.

[BristolRuss]

(agreed with OP, cancel ultimate completely. Cancel the next savage tear. Do what you have to to make it happen without losing more casual content. But make it happen.
Yes people will be pissed. But it's bad enough that that might be the only option. Or stop housing demolition so people can unsub while you pause everything else and get caught up. Then resume other content when FT norman drops.
Redo Cloud while your at it to get rid of the body checks. Incentivise raid/duty finder for prog.
The fact you won't is an indication of just how much you don't get it, and the fact that people don't seriously expect you to in 1,000,000 years indicates how rock bottom their expectations are.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MiP1MJC7EU

[Altina_Orion]

(agreed with OP, cancel ultimate completely. Cancel the next savage tear. Do what you have to to make it happen without losing more casual content. But make it happen.
Yes people will be pissed. But it's bad enough that that might be the only option. Or stop housing demolition so people can unsub while you pause everything else and get caught up. Then resume other content when FT norman drops.
Redo Cloud while your at it to get rid of the body checks. Incentivise raid/duty finder for prog.
The fact you won't is an indication of just how much you don't get it, and the fact that people don't seriously expect you to in 1,000,000 years indicates how rock bottom their expectations are.)

SE has the money and resources to do it, its doesn't have to come at the expense at content thousands of players enjoy.

[Miguelstein]

I am sure that if Forked Tower had a normal mode and it had the 100 clears for the title I would run it every day for weeks. Actually it is what I was expecting before 7.25 so it was a biiig letdown. I like doing savage, but I prefer playing with 47 guys in a casual environment, Dalriada and Delubrum normal were so much fun.