@Casuals , do you think the message has gotten through?

[thereal_aliceanders]

I hate to admit it but the game has been going downhill since EW. Add to it that they admit that things won't get better until the next expansion (8.0). I really want to unsubscribe and walk away, but I have a large house that I had to fight for, and a small group of friends that agreed to take a break. Normally when it gets like this I'll do some PVP but that has turned into a toxic garbage fire. IF 7.3 is as bad as the rest of the game, I'll bite the bullet and walk away, even if that means I have to give up my house.

[Alahard]

You don't need tools to spot people dropping or not using their dots, unironically using Cure I, GCD healing where they shouldn't, not using raidbuffs, not using certain OGCDs etc. You also don't need to be a tryhard to notice these things.

Im gonna defend the people casting cure 1 problem for a quick second. Square designed the spell and encouraged it's use because of the garbage freecure trait that hasn't been good in years. The game innately tells you to cast it , and rewards you for doing it. The developers could have fixed this ages ago by making cure 1 upgrade to cure 2 and be done with it, or give cure 1 and 2 different purposes so both can be useful.

It's just a flatout design issue that square refuses to address, because ??????

[AmiableApkallu]

Im gonna defend the people casting cure 1 problem for a quick second. Square designed the spell and encouraged its use because of the garbage freecure trait that hasn't been good in years. The game innately tells you to cast it, and rewards you for doing it.

Who on Hydaelyn thinks that a 1 in 7 chance of a proc is actually worth going for?

I'd think it more likely that someone believes MP management is actually a thing in this game, and so they're saving the MP-expensive spells for dire moments and relying on the MP-cheap spells in the meantime. It's similar to tanks who save all their mitigations for bosses and not the trash mobs because they're used to games where all the hard hits come from the bosses.

[Valence]

Im gonna defend the people casting cure 1 problem for a quick second. Square designed the spell and encouraged it's use because of the garbage freecure trait that hasn't been good in years. The game innately tells you to cast it , and rewards you for doing it. The developers could have fixed this ages ago by making cure 1 upgrade to cure 2 and be done with it, or give cure 1 and 2 different purposes so both can be useful.

It's just a flatout design issue that square refuses to address, because ??????

I think you greatly overestimate the actual considerations that a lot of very casual players have when it comes to their toolkit. The freecure trap, while being a stupid design leftover from ARR era, is probably the least of their troubles, and I'm pretty convinced that most don't even have considered or even noticed that it can actually proc a free cure 2. Have you lot tried to watch Colin Ryan (Alphinaud's VA) in his progression through the story? He mostly plays through Duty Support, but still also has to do multiplayer trials. Either way, watch him play BRD and you'll see what I'm talking about, and frankly, I don't see the problem.
That content is their turf.

[Mawlzy]

Who on Hydaelyn thinks that a 1 in 7 chance of a proc is actually worth going for?

I'd think it more likely that someone believes MP management is actually a thing in this game, and so they're saving the MP-expensive spells for dire moments and relying on the MP-cheap spells in the meantime. It's similar to tanks who save all their mitigations for bosses and not the trash mobs because they're used to games where all the hard hits come from the bosses.

I'd suggest you're overthinking this. A button is on the hotbar. Some people will press it. You could make the tooltip "DO NOT PRESS THIS BUTTON" and nothing would change.

I think you greatly overestimate the actual considerations that a lot of very casual players have when it comes to their toolkit. .

Exactly this.

[Gwenkatsu]

Meanwhile in WoW they now have a one-button-assistant. I guess it's like these single duties where you play Alisae and have 27 red mage abilities cramped into 4 buttons. Only that in WoW all your abilities are now in one button, and the game decides what best to use next.

Wowhead article

[XtremePrime]

Meanwhile in WoW they now have a one-button-assistant. I guess it's like these single duties where you play Alisae and have 27 red mage abilities cramped into 4 buttons. Only that in WoW all your abilities are now in one button, and the game decides what best to use next.

Wowhead article

I'm sure someone would benefit from the single-button assist feature, and it's not overtly OP considering it doesn't cast major offensive cds. It's a net positive for WoW imho and for players that don't want it, they can just play like normal since it's faster and more DPS effective.

[Alahard]

Who on Hydaelyn thinks that a 1 in 7 chance of a proc is actually worth going for?

I'd think it more likely that someone believes MP management is actually a thing in this game, and so they're saving the MP-expensive spells for dire moments and relying on the MP-cheap spells in the meantime. It's similar to tanks who save all their mitigations for bosses and not the trash mobs because they're used to games where all the hard hits come from the bosses.

Im not saying its worth it. It's absolute trash. The problem is how is a new player suppose to judge that at lv 30, when endgame is 100?

I'm saying the game tricks people, especially those who aren't good at numbers, into believing it is. And until they are corrected, its an issue. And of course, the "correction" received can seem harsh, as they were doing what the game told them to do.

Its just trash design the devs refuse to address.

I think you greatly overestimate the actual considerations that a lot of very casual players have when it comes to their toolkit. The freecure trap, while being a stupid design leftover from ARR era, is probably the least of their troubles, and I'm pretty convinced that most don't even have considered or even noticed that it can actually proc a free cure 2.

For those who don't, its an even bigger design issue. The devs have intentionally left a healing spell in the game that is worthless past cure 2. But Players, having used cure 1 up to that point ( and have to keep it on the bar for dungeon roulettes), are accustomed to it being the to go heal, so of course the spell is going to be clicked.

Again - just horrible design from the devs.

[Valence]

For those who don't, its an even bigger design issue. The devs have intentionally left a healing spell in the game that is worthless past cure 2. But Players, having used cure 1 up to that point ( and have to keep it on the bar for dungeon roulettes), are accustomed to it being the to go heal, so of course the spell is going to be clicked.

Again - just horrible design from the devs.

I mean I agreed that freecure is dumb, but my whole point is that as soon as you add even the smallest pinch of intricacies (which include just different potencies for different goals), you'll have people that won't try to understand them or make sense of tooltips. They'll just press the buttons they are given because they look cool and do stuff.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[…] They'll just press the buttons they are given because they look cool and do stuff.

The best other examples I could think of are the Toxikon Mages & … Flamethrower on MCH?