@Casuals , do you think the message has gotten through?

[Kaurhz]

This argument is stupid beyond compherison tbh, let us have choices. Not everyone likes Exploration Zones. Not everyone likes DD. Having more options are generally better than having less. If the issue was Knowledge level going up and down required the xp bar, they could've made knowledge shown in the ph. job menu and make it like 20000 for max level.

Yep.

You would think that actually having diverse methods of levelling outside of dungeons and FATEs would be a good idea... But apparently not.

The funny part of this is that the game is actually so obsessed with trying to dictate how you play that the moment something unique, new or fairly creative comes around that they must patch it, e.g., alliance raids serving as a practical way to gain exp.

[TeresaFortell]

You want content that doesn't require any effort whatsoever, is "engaging", requires no time commitment, no study, and has good rewards.

That is overgeneralizing. Everyone who is playing the game is investing their time and effort in something they enjoy and want to do. What is engaging or not is a personal preference.

I'm also so sick of hearing "This is game!" Or I play to "relax and have fun!" Video games and MMO's in general are built around challenging the player. You don't boot up a Mario game and expect to be taken to the last level because you can't make the jumps in level one.

If you want a relaxed social sim with no gameplay, no effort and to have fun well second life and stardew Valley are right there.

MMO's thrive on high end content its how the genre works

If you want to play the game the way you like, that is fine. Understand, however, others play the game the way they want. Neither you nor I have the right to dictate what the right way is to enjoy this game.

MMO's thrive on high end content its how the genre works

No successful MMO caters to players whose sole focus is high-end content. Instead, these MMOs provide an experience that players of varying levels can enjoy.

[Router]

Only four bites so far (mine including) is not very impressive. But I'm sure if you continue practicing, you will finally become a forum troll worthy of the name. Keep going!

I wish people would just ignore the obvious trolls posting on alt accounts. It's laughable when someone LARPs as a proud raider but simultaneously hides all their achievements (if they have any to begin with). If they actually believed in any of the shit they said then they'd post on their main character.

[Ankhira]

Call me a troll all you want but you casuals are insane!

You want content that doesn't require any effort whatsoever, is "engaging", requires no time commitment, no study, and has good rewards.

Whatever it is you crazy people want isnt real!

I'm also so sick of hearing "This is game!" Or I play to "relax and have fun!" Video games and MMO's in general are built around challenging the player. You don't boot up a Mario game and expect to be taken to the last level because you can't make the jumps in level one.

If you want a relaxed social sim with no gameplay, no effort and to have fun well second life and stardew Valley are right there.

MMO's thrive on high end content its how the genre works

I think you’re missing the point of what makes FFXIV so beloved. While yes, MMOs can thrive on high-end content, FFXIV thrives because it embraced both challenging content and chill content. Not everyone logs in to chase savage/unreal clears or parse. Some people play to unwind, enjoy the story, craft, socialize... I could go on but the point is, that is still effort. It’s just not the kind you define as valid. Gatekeeping enjoyment doesn’t make the game stronger it just makes the community smaller. If people are unhappy with the state of the game, it’s worth listening instead of dismissing them as "insane." Everyone plays differently, and that is what keeps MMOs alive. Not just the hardcore players. WoW has learned this lesson by now, there's challenging content but there's plenty for casuals to dive into as well as challenging content they can tackle solo.

[Gwenkatsu]

Call me a troll all you want but you casuals are insane!

You want content that doesn't require any effort whatsoever, is "engaging", requires no time commitment, no study, and has good rewards.

Whatever it is you crazy people want isnt real!

I'm also so sick of hearing "This is game!" Or I play to "relax and have fun!" Video games and MMO's in general are built around challenging the player. You don't boot up a Mario game and expect to be taken to the last level because you can't make the jumps in level one.

If you want a relaxed social sim with no gameplay, no effort and to have fun well second life and stardew Valley are right there.

Ah, this time you've gotten me. Yes, I want it all, every little bit in the game, sent to me in my mailbox the next time I log in. No wait, that would require me to walk to a mailbox - I don't engage in such hardcore activities as walking around in game, and who even knows where the next mailbox might be located? I want all that stuff registered to my account, ASAP. And I will continue to pay this game for being mediocre until I finally get what I want! That'll teach the likes of you!

Man, it feels so good to be evil.

MMO's thrive on high end content its how the genre works

Oh, and also: citation needed.

[Valence]

Call me a troll all you want but you casuals are insane!

You want content that doesn't require any effort whatsoever, is "engaging", requires no time commitment, no study, and has good rewards.

Whatever it is you crazy people want isnt real!

I'm also so sick of hearing "This is game!" Or I play to "relax and have fun!" Video games and MMO's in general are built around challenging the player. You don't boot up a Mario game and expect to be taken to the last level because you can't make the jumps in level one.

If you want a relaxed social sim with no gameplay, no effort and to have fun well second life and stardew Valley are right there.

MMO's thrive on high end content its how the genre works

MMOs should all drop their pretense at casual content (that they are all doing), and instead fully embrace kaizo mario.

[Chasingstars]

MMOs should all drop their pretense at casual content (that they are all doing), and instead fully embrace kaizo mario.

Crafting? Kaizo. Gathering? Kaizo. Repairing gear? Kaizo.

Everything must be savage difficult, even getting something from the mailbox.

[MetaBoi]

Crafting? Kaizo. Gathering? Kaizo. Repairing gear? Kaizo.

For crafting every action now has a chance to break the gear, for gathering if you gather too much, you're forced to fight a spirit in a solo (with your gathering gear) if you lose the instance all of your collected items are gone. You can only repair gear with dark matter. How do you get dark matter? By clearing an ultimate of course!

I do raid and I love raiding but there is a huge difference between "I want to do some content that are easy and repeatable for my reward." and "I want to get rewards for existing." Fate's in OC are quite decent assuming they're no zerg rushed. Why can't the normal overworld Fates can be like those? Or Chaotic's mechanics are easy but why are there 2 24-man tower mechanics right after a mechanic that is easy to die? The dev team seems to have issues to provide 3-6/10 difficulty content it either goes to 2/10 (Like Brute Abombinator) or starts from 7/10 (Extremes)

[Chasingstars]

For crafting every action now has a chance to break the gear, for gathering if you gather too much, you're forced to fight a spirit in a solo (with your gathering gear) if you lose the instance all of your collected items are gone. You can only repair gear with dark matter. How do you get dark matter? By clearing an ultimate of course!

lol, and materia comes from exploding your own gear.

I do raid and I love raiding but there is a huge difference between "I want to do some content that are easy and repeatable for my reward." and "I want to get rewards for existing." Fate's in OC are quite decent assuming they're no zerg rushed. Why can't the normal overworld Fates can be like those? Or Chaotic's mechanics are easy but why are there 2 24-man tower mechanics right after a mechanic that is easy to die? The dev team seems to have issues to provide 3-6/10 difficulty content it either goes to 2/10 (Like Brute Abombinator) or starts from 7/10 (Extremes)

True, like underkeep was easier than alexandria, but I think that also has to do with the speed of mechanics. Easy fights give you plenty of time to find safe ground when doing it blind or known, harder fights give you little time to find safety when done at all.

[MetaBoi]

lol, and materia comes from exploding your own gear..

Isn't that how it used to be before? I've read somewhere about that.