Playing dungeons with a friend + NPCs

[Yasuu]

For me (and a friend) it would be so nice if they would add a possibility to play with a friend(s) + NPCs in dungeons.
They added the system to play dungeons with NPCs but you have to go alone, I don't get it. It would be more fun to play with 1 or 2 friends and to add an NPC to make the party full.
I hope this will be an option any time :-)

[Jeeqbit]

Common request for sure. Seen it made many times.

[Underscore]

No more NPCs, please. Duty support needs to be removed for the sake of the game.

[VeyaAkemi]

No more NPCs, please. Duty support needs to be removed for the sake of the game.

Let's get one thing done: Trusts/Duty Support are not responsible for dungeon design in any capacity, bots can, objectively, handle far more complex mechanics than humans, I don't know where this myth came from, maybe the devs said it in which cause they were lying, maybe it was some assumption someone made due to dungeon reworks coinciding with Duty Support being introduced, either way, think about it for a moment, with the right script, you are capable of outright automating an Ultimate, it's a known issue, so why would any given dungeon be a problem? they don't even have to play by the same rules as the player, Thancred and Urianger outright cheat in the tightrope segment of Dohn Mheg by simply teleporting/jumping across, and this isn't because they can't do it, because Alisaie can do the mechanic just fine(after failing once), and Ryne can attempt the mechanic and always fail(because she is too nervous about it and will move too slowly), so if a mechanic is too complex for their AI, they can just fake the AI doing it and have it cheat, it's actually that simple.

I swear to god people repeat this purely because they need a scapegoat to vent their frustrations over...

[TaleraRistain]

Let's get one thing done: Trusts/Duty Support are not responsible for dungeon design in any capacity, bots can, objectively, handle far more complex mechanics than humans, I don't know where this myth came from, maybe the devs said it in which cause they were lying, maybe it was some assumption someone made due to dungeon reworks coinciding with Duty Support being introduced, either way, think about it for a moment, with the right script, you are capable of outright automating an Ultimate, it's a known issue, so why would any given dungeon be a problem? they don't even have to play by the same rules as the player, Thancred and Urianger outright cheat in the tightrope segment of Dohn Mheg by simply teleporting/jumping across, and this isn't because they can't do it, because Alisaie can do the mechanic just fine(after failing once), and Ryne can attempt the mechanic and always fail(because she is too nervous about it and will move too slowly), so if a mechanic is too complex for their AI, they can just fake the AI doing it and have it cheat, it's actually that simple.

I swear to god people repeat this purely because they need a scapegoat to vent their frustrations over...

The devs never said this. Players started this assumption because there were changes made when dungeons went to Duty Support. And they always focus on the things that are different that may have been taken away instead of the things added, like the first boss of Halatli having actual baby mechanics now. Or the second boss in Stone Vigil introducing the moving tornado mechanic in the structured way you saw it more in future dungeons instead of the random movement of the original boss fight.

They also always ignore the fairly sophisicated things that Duty Support could already do from Shadowbringers onward before they started redoing older dungeons.

What you can see in the old dungeon revamps is that they made the changes to streamline them and bring them more in line with what you see in later dungeons. So the new people don't get shell shocked by things they never saw before in the future dungeons. These changes also fit in nicely with the topics from the revamped Hall of the Novice.

[Underscore]

Let's get one thing done: Trusts/Duty Support are not responsible for dungeon design in any capacity, bots can, objectively, handle far more complex mechanics than humans, I don't know where this myth came from

Then why did they need change and simplify the dungeons to accommodate them?

[TaleraRistain]

Then why did they need change and simplify the dungeons to accommodate them?

They didn't. They changed them to get rid of outdated and obscure mechanics and mechanic triggers so those mechanics would be recognizable for sprouts in newer dungeons instead of things they have never seen. Go do the new Hall of the Novice and see how much matches up.

[Underscore]

They didn't. They changed them to get rid of outdated and obscure mechanics and mechanic triggers so those mechanics would be recognizable for sprouts in newer dungeons instead of things they have never seen. Go do the new Hall of the Novice and see how much matches up.

Are you sure about that?