Exit survey when unsubscribing is laughable

[ovIm]

Why are all the people I share opinions with leaving the game?

Cause there is a dawning realization for more and more of us players (especially those that joined in the ARR/HW era) that the developers are not interested in providing the experience that made us love the game back then.

Mao left, Mawlzy is leaving, and its disheartening. Not that I can blame them, mind you. If it wasn't for PVP, I'd be out of the door as well.

[BigCheez]

Why are all the people I share opinions with leaving the game?

Because it just isn't a good game anymore. People value their time and money, and rightly so.

Dawntrail feels like one of those worksheets that a teacher would hand out in school that was a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy. We're almost a decade in to SE releasing the same expansion every 2 years and the quality has massively deteriorated over time.

[Valence]

Weren't you the one constantly giving me s*** for criticizing the current pve model?
Glad we agree I guess then?

[BigCheez]

Weren't you the one constantly giving me s*** for criticizing the current pve model?
Glad we agree I guess then?

No, I laughed at you once for claiming that ultimate was "artificial difficulty". While I agree that the in/out, stack/spread, proteans/exaflares DDR model is incredibly tired, there is nothing "artificially difficult" about it.

It's also worth noting that this isn't just about "high-end content". Every facet of the game just feels like cut, paste and chip away at the rough edges. Why is every seasonal event quest just "talk to 3 NPCs and collect your free reward" now? Why is every beast tribe quest still the same ones we had in ARR? Why is every treasure map dungeon still just the same 2 doors or roulette wheel instance with a new lick of paint? Why is there absolutely nothing in Occult Crescent that wasn't in Eureka or Bozja before? And why are most of the rewards from Occult Crescent just old recycled rewards that used to be somewhat rare and now have absolutely zero value because they drop like hotcakes in the new zone? Why is the relic just a tome grind again?

Where is our money going? It's sad, but I think many people are starting to wake up to the fact that the game seems to be genuinely doomed. The amount of change that's required to turn the ship around and make the game worth playing again is far greater than is possible by 8.0 on the shoestring budget that SE seem to be forcing CBU3 to work with. Unfortunately, I think 8.0 will just be more of the same and I don't think that will cut it for a lot of folk.

[Valence]

No, I laughed at you once for claiming that ultimate was "artificial difficulty". While I agree that the in/out, stack/spread, proteans/exaflares DDR model is incredibly tired, there is nothing "artificially difficult" about it.

It's also worth noting that this isn't just about "high-end content". Every facet of the game just feels like cut, paste and chip away at the rough edges. Why is every seasonal event quest just "talk to 3 NPCs and collect your free reward" now? Why is every beast tribe quest still the same ones we had in ARR? Why is every treasure map dungeon still just the same 2 doors or roulette wheel instance with a new lick of paint? Why is there absolutely nothing in Occult Crescent that wasn't in Eureka or Bozja before? And why are most of the rewards from Occult Crescent just old recycled rewards that used to be somewhat rare and now have absolutely zero value because they drop like hotcakes in the new zone? Why is the relic just a tome grind again?

Where is our money going? It's sad, but I think many people are starting to wake up to the fact that the game seems to be genuinely doomed. The amount of change that's required to turn the ship around and make the game worth playing again is far greater than is possible by 8.0 on the shoestring budget that SE seem to be forcing CBU3 to work with. Unfortunately, I think 8.0 will just be more of the same and I don't think that will cut it for a lot of folk.

Well I can see where the misunderstanding lied if you understood that the artificial difficulty comment was about ultimate pve mechanics...

[BigCheez]

Well I can see where the misunderstanding lied if you understood that the artificial difficulty comment was about ultimate pve mechanics...

I remember the conversation clearly.

You claimed that wipe mechanics "artificially" increase the amount of time required to prog content, and I just don't agree. A game requiring the player(s) to build enough consistency to make it through a piece of content without making mistakes is not uncommon. I think "artificial difficulty" is a fundamentally flawed idea. Game design is contrived by definition. All difficulty is artificial.

[Valence]

If you did remember it clearly, why did you bring the DDR model up then?
Even though I can hear the argument for consistency, let's just agree to disagree, since ultimately this has little to do with the topic.

[PaulusHamsteru]

does quitting include obsessively staying in the forums? Maybe dont interact with ff14 at all, if you dislike it that much

[BigCheez]

If you did remember it clearly, why did you bring the DDR model up then?
Even though I can hear the argument for consistency, let's just agree to disagree, since ultimately this has little to do with the topic.

Agreed, although I'll remind you that you were the one who shifted the conversation in this direction, lol.

[CNitsah]

Why are all the people I share opinions with leaving the game?

Because the exit survey is laughable so they come on the forum to express their displeasure.