I think it’s fair to say you can derive enjoyment from ultimate even if you don’t do ultimate (I know I enjoyed the FRU world first even if it was more fun to watch the crash out over plugins) but I don’t think that extends to anything besides ultimate. The savage and savage analogues (chaotic and criterion) don’t reach remotely the same highs

Even though I don’t do new ultimates anymore I still support them for the community engagement, but I also wouldn’t try to sell something like chaotic as community engagement (though stats show CAR was actually super popular)