87th PLL showcases a need for change in announcing content

[churchren]

If you agree with me, please upvote so this can hopefully be seen by people with actual authority

I am quite incensed at the casualness of Yoshi-p in announcing there was no 7.3 ultimate

Why?!

Because to me, I saw no regard for player-base and what it is needed to actually prepare for an ultimate release if you intend to raid at a hardcore level.

No regard to the time and energy spent running splits because of the awful gearing system
No regard for the time spent to organizing gear & loot for people and alt jobs
No regard for the energy and effort required to put out recruitment postings, sifting through applications, interviews & trials
No regard for the dart-board game we play with trying to predict our paid-time off requests
No regard for the preparations I have to make IRL for the release

Yoshi-P and the leaders at SE need to get with the times of 2025 and realize that waiting until 2 months before a supposed patch release date is not acceptable or respectful to us who put so much time and effort into preparing for these releases. Regardless of their cultural disdain for failing to deliver on promises, it should be apparent that raiding in any MMO at a hardcore level requires a decent amount of time, effort, and dedication. And to shy away from respecting their players so they can save face down the road is honestly just a slap in the face to us.

How long have they known there would be no 7.3 ultimate? How long have they been reading and monitoring the player-base talking about the 7.3 ultimate? Are they aware that we rely so heavily on them being consistent with content cycles and patch releases to plan our raiding is solely due to the fact that they refuse to announce anything concrete until a few weeks before a patch releases?

Do they not understand the concept of just telling us what content will be confirmed for a patch, regardless of release date? Do they not understand that even just telling us a month in the year that a patch release is better than waiting until 2 weeks beforehand? It seems to me that this is a showcase of a dev team that does not understand the environment they've created and what impacts it has on us that choose to try and enjoy this game at a high level

Honestly, Yoshi-P and his leadership team need to break with their constant tradition and timidness by producing actual content roadmaps and giving us more notice for content release dates. The world of today does not operate on a 2-week lead-time for almost anything. Not even their own game allows people to prep for an ultimate 2 weeks before a patch release.

[Infindox]

I think they need to have better translation in general. I didn't even know about no Ultimate in 7.3 until some fan group said so in a social media post. And then you'll have conflicting translations.
Having that first part not translated except the slides was so crazy to me.

[AvoSturmfaust]

Im actually quit happy that there is no Ultimate in 7.3, me personally thinks the second Ultimate is better placed after the third tier because the time between the third tier and the new expansion is way way more drought then 7.3 - 7.4, and dont get me wrong i get what you mean but "Yoshi-P and the leaders at SE need to get with the times of 2025 and realize that waiting until 2 months before a supposed patch release date" just doesnt suit me, the playerbase has maybe just to accept that not everything has to go with the time

[churchren]

i personally like the idea of a 7.51 ultimate as well, my issue here is that we don't get sufficient prior notice of what content will actually be in a patch cycle until we're either already committed or we have spend it playing catch up. It's not that hard to for them to just post a roadmap say what content they're planning for each major patch cycle

[Reimmi]

Im actually quit happy that there is no Ultimate in 7.3, me personally thinks the second Ultimate is better placed after the third tier because the time between the third tier and the new expansion is way way more drought then 7.3 - 7.4, and dont get me wrong i get what you mean but "Yoshi-P and the leaders at SE need to get with the times of 2025 and realize that waiting until 2 months before a supposed patch release date" just doesnt suit me, the playerbase has maybe just to accept that not everything has to go with the time

With all due respect why do you care if you haven't done any ultimates?

[AvoSturmfaust]

With all due respect why do you care if you haven't done any ultimates?

With all due respect, but i did all ultimates, the only one i didnt do yet is FRU, checking my logs is fine, i really dont care but with the character i use in the forum you will not come pretty far

[Andevom]

They need to have a translator there - I have no idea why they're still doing it this way when the majority of active players don't understand Japanese.

There's also a serious need for them to manage the time they devote to certain topics better. They spent 15 minutes talking about chat bubbles for god's sake.

[Kranel_San]

They need to have a translator there - I have no idea why they're still doing it this way when the majority of active players don't understand Japanese.

There's also a serious need for them to manage the time they devote to certain topics better. They spent 15 minutes talking about chat bubbles for god's sake.

Better to ask, what's even the purpose of the live letter to be a live stream? Why can it not simply be recorded and summarize the points?

If there are more details to be shared, just have an interview.

Honestly I even stopped watching live letters because of the absurd time and slackiness they take to get through it. Instead, I just quickly read the fan translations and be done with it.

[Jeeqbit]

I think they need to have better translation in general. I didn't even know about no Ultimate in 7.3 until some fan group said so in a social media post.

It does get translated but it takes some weeks for them to do it. It would be nice if they did it, but meanwhile, I'd suggest just listening to the unofficial one (hardly anyone seems to listen to this and seem unaware it exists): https://www.youtube.com/@ilunari/streams

Better to ask, what's even the purpose of the live letter to be a live stream? Why can it not simply be recorded and summarize the points?

They do summarize the points. It's all translated on the forums and summarized in the Live Letter forum. You can go back and read their summaries of all the past live letters. But content creators do that as well, and much faster.

The live stream I would guess is to authentically talk to everyone and create hype. A lot of people tune in, excited to watch the trailer the moment it drops, and discuss the news together. Not that he does it a lot because he's probably not very good at it, but he has read stream chat on occasion, and particularly tried that a lot more during lockdowns to try and make up for the lack of connection.

"Ultimates are irrelevant for 99% of the community anyway.

Meant as a goal for someone to reach, even if they never attain it. Seeing a shiny weapon and thinking "I'll get that someday" has always been a healthy thing in an MMORPG because it's one of the goals they can set for themselves when they are new.

It's also deliberately designed as stream content. It's meant to look good on twitch streams, and that's on purpose, because they don't expect many people to actually do it - although I think in practice, way more people clear ultimate than they expected when they began making it.

When I was on Crystal, I never saw a single Ultimate weapon except in a dungeon once (it was a Dragoon). Then I transferred to Aether and everyone had one. Almost everyone I knew or had a passing interaction with had one. The contrast in Limsa between Crystal and Aether before we had DC travel was massive. It shows that given a better environment ie. PUG ultimate culture on Aether, that it can transform how many people do even that content.

I saw no regard for player-base and what it is needed to actually prepare for an ultimate release if you intend to raid at a hardcore level.

I agree that there is preparation involved for raiding like this and Yoshi-P is actually aware people take time off work for release dates so he doesn't change release dates lightly.

However, Yoshi-P has actually said multiple times that he can't guarantee Ultimates on a consistent schedule like everything else because of the sheer difficulty of producing (nevermind testing) content like that, so although we normally get them in .11 and .31, it would be wise to not take that for granted as we've had exceptions to the .31 in particular.

If the static can't stick around that long, it may be a better option to form statics when the release date is actually known, even if it would impact any sort of intention to world race.

[churchren]

However, Yoshi-P has actually said multiple times that he can't guarantee Ultimates on a consistent schedule like everything else because of the sheer difficulty of producing (nevermind testing) content like that, so although we normally get them in .11 and .31, it would be wise to not take that for granted as we've had exceptions to the .31 in particular.

If the static can't stick around that long, it may be a better option to form statics when the release date is actually known, even if it would impact any sort of intention to world race.

We're not racing, but if you've ever organized a HC static before, it can take weeks or even months to find someone. And in some cases, people literally need several months in advance to book PTO. Putting together a HC static in such a short timeline, while not impossible, would be nigh improbable if accounting for schedule availability, PTO, jobs and roles, and personality clashes.