87th PLL showcases a need for change in announcing content

[Derio]

The game has way more problems than not getting an ultimate in 7.3

[Saraide]

If you agree with me, please upvote so this can hopefully be seen by people with actual authority

I am quite incensed at the casualness of Yoshi-p in announcing there was no 7.3 ultimate

Why?!

Because to me, I saw no regard for player-base and what it is needed to actually prepare for an ultimate release if you intend to raid at a hardcore level.

No regard to the time and energy spent running splits because of the awful gearing system
No regard for the time spent to organizing gear & loot for people and alt jobs
No regard for the energy and effort required to put out recruitment postings, sifting through applications, interviews & trials
No regard for the dart-board game we play with trying to predict our paid-time off requests
No regard for the preparations I have to make IRL for the release

Yoshi-P and the leaders at SE need to get with the times of 2025 and realize that waiting until 2 months before a supposed patch release date is not acceptable or respectful to us who put so much time and effort into preparing for these releases. Regardless of their cultural disdain for failing to deliver on promises, it should be apparent that raiding in any MMO at a hardcore level requires a decent amount of time, effort, and dedication. And to shy away from respecting their players so they can save face down the road is honestly just a slap in the face to us.

How long have they known there would be no 7.3 ultimate? How long have they been reading and monitoring the player-base talking about the 7.3 ultimate? Are they aware that we rely so heavily on them being consistent with content cycles and patch releases to plan our raiding is solely due to the fact that they refuse to announce anything concrete until a few weeks before a patch releases?

Do they not understand the concept of just telling us what content will be confirmed for a patch, regardless of release date? Do they not understand that even just telling us a month in the year that a patch release is better than waiting until 2 weeks beforehand? It seems to me that this is a showcase of a dev team that does not understand the environment they've created and what impacts it has on us that choose to try and enjoy this game at a high level

Honestly, Yoshi-P and his leadership team need to break with their constant tradition and timidness by producing actual content roadmaps and giving us more notice for content release dates. The world of today does not operate on a 2-week lead-time for almost anything. Not even their own game allows people to prep for an ultimate 2 weeks before a patch release.

Last time they did this they also held people on the line for as long as possible. There probably wont be another ultimate at all in DT anymore. SE says it's only going to be delayed to keep raiders like you subbed all throughout the savage tiers.

[Bryson]

Even if the next ultimate is ready by 7.5 (cause why wouldn't it be, that'd be over a year in development) i'm convinced they won't release it anyway.
They'll sit on it until 8.1 and use the excuse of "having to focus on 8.0 and job reworks" as why they can't release a 2nd DT ult.

[Altina_Orion]

Ok, so hear me out

At no point did he ever say there would be an ultimate, and if there was going to be one it was going to be early august. So, wasting energy recruiting for an ultimate the devs never even hinted at happening and requesting PTO earlier than today for a day we know is going to be mid-august or later for the ultimate is entirely a you problem, not on the devs. Once it is announced, there is always plenty of time to recruit and plenty of time to request PTO. Guessing days to take off for content you guessed would happen like 2 months from now is absolutely the stupidest thing I ever heard from a player.

I still think there are communication issues, yes I think gearing needs to change especially for alts, but your primary complaint here is 100% on you and this is pretty embarrassing. I predicted before DT ever came out we wouldn't have a 7.3 ulti, they never once hinted or mentioned it. Seriously. Why would you even think its coming? There isnt even an established pattern for ultis BESIDES the x.1 patch and even then I would never assume it.

[churchren]

Ok, so hear me out

At no point did he ever say there would be an ultimate, and if there was going to be one it was going to be early august. So, wasting energy recruiting for an ultimate the devs never even hinted at happening and requesting PTO earlier than today for a day we know is going to be mid-august or later for the ultimate is entirely a you problem, not on the devs. Once it is announced, there is always plenty of time to recruit and plenty of time to request PTO. Guessing days to take off for content you guessed would happen like 2 months from now is absolutely the stupidest thing I ever heard from a player.

I still think there are communication issues, yes I think gearing needs to change especially for alts, but your primary complaint here is 100% on you and this is pretty embarrassing. I predicted before DT ever came out we wouldn't have a 7.3 ulti, they never once hinted or mentioned it. Seriously. Why would you even think its coming? There isnt even an established pattern for ultis BESIDES the x.1 patch and even then I would never assume it.

keep assuming things. Have you ever put together or been in a HC static for an ultimate? it takes weeks to months to find compatible players, not to mention the actual prep time we spend getting ready once the static is put together. On top of that, some people work jobs that require 3-4 months of advanced notice to take PTO. So yeah, it's definitely not a me problem. And while it's easy to say all this about our expectations/assumptions for a 7.31 ultimate, there was several things from previous comments and their own history that gave enough credit to a 7.31 ultimate.

[AmiableApkallu]

On top of that, some people work jobs that require 3-4 months of advanced notice to take PTO.

"Sir, this is a Wendy's."

If someone feels compelled to take PTO for a game -- and that game's arbitrary release and content cycle -- that's entirely on them.

[0blivion]

"Sir, this is a Wendy's."

If someone feels compelled to take PTO for a game -- and that game's arbitrary release and content cycle -- that's entirely on them.

As a midcore raider without a static, I did take PTO for one raid tier in 2020. Wasn't worth it, but with a static it very well might be.

e/: I don't agree with OP about the whole telling us in advance thing. I think instead they should just unlock the weekly raid rewards earlier, i.e. one month before any given ultimate release.

[Altina_Orion]

keep assuming things. Have you ever put together or been in a HC static for an ultimate? it takes weeks to months to find compatible players, not to mention the actual prep time we spend getting ready once the static is put together. On top of that, some people work jobs that require 3-4 months of advanced notice to take PTO. So yeah, it's definitely not a me problem. And while it's easy to say all this about our expectations/assumptions for a 7.31 ultimate, there was several things from previous comments and their own history that gave enough credit to a 7.31 ultimate.

No, it still is. And what jobs require that? Healthcare? Aviation? Teachers? Surgeons? That's literally all I can think of and i guarantee you aren't finding those people for your HC groups. Also, do you even have experience with hardcore groups? Your best clear was FRU on week 3 which is far far worse than competitive.

Also, there was NOTHING ever said that gave credence to a 7.31 ultimate EVER. He briefly mentioned to Arthars before DT that their MAY be 2 or 3 ultimates according to Arthars and no other indication ever. In fact, before DT came out, I had a predictions sheet that has been nearly on point and my sheet said "There will not be an ultimate in 7.3". There was more evidence to suggest it not existing than existing. I get it, you are salty that you are wrong. You have some points, but your post is mostly just bitter for the sake of being bitter because you were wrong and you know it.

[RyuukaZekken]

To me, it's not about the information
These problems could be fix if they just fix their looting system.
If we could gear alts more easily, we can enter Ultimate whenever we want without time pressure.
8 weeks for 1 job? 16 weeks for 1 patch?
2 jobs per patch and we have 21 jobs .
No brainer...

FIX THE LOOT SYSTEM

[Kandraxx]

keep assuming things. Have you ever put together or been in a HC static for an ultimate? it takes weeks to months to find compatible players, not to mention the actual prep time we spend getting ready once the static is put together. On top of that, some people work jobs that require 3-4 months of advanced notice to take PTO. So yeah, it's definitely not a me problem. And while it's easy to say all this about our expectations/assumptions for a 7.31 ultimate, there was several things from previous comments and their own history that gave enough credit to a 7.31 ultimate.

Compatible players = unemployed and on PC so they can have Splatoon? You sound pretty mad over some garbage shit content that's cheated to death anyway by the few people who care about it...why not play an actually competitive game if you're so HC?