Is DLSS/FSR broken?

[aiqa]

You can do it via Nvidia App or Nvidia Profile Inspector. I have written a small howto here:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6691832


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That wasn't the question, I know how to overwrite DLSS models and settings. There was a claim FF isn't using "actual DLSS". And forcing that "actual DLSS" will cause problems. I have no idea what "actual DLSS" means, and some write up on DLSS overrides doesn't really explain that either.

[Larirawiel]

That wasn't the question, I know how to overwrite DLSS models and settings. There was a claim FF isn't using "actual DLSS". And forcing that "actual DLSS" will cause problems. I have no idea what "actual DLSS" means, and some write up on DLSS overrides doesn't really explain that either.

With my howto you will use the "actual DLSS". It is so, since DLSS 3.1 the DLSS DLLs support a passthrough mode and the Nvidia App enables it. The DLSS DLLs, which come with FF14 will just redirect all API calls to the driver DLLs. And if you have the newest driver installed then the DLSS version will also be the newest.


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With my howto you will use the "actual DLSS". It is so, since DLSS 3.1 the DLSS DLLs support a passthrough mode and the Nvidia App enables it. The DLSS DLLs, which come with FF14 will just redirect all API calls to the driver DLLs. And if you have the newest driver installed then the DLSS version will also be the newest.

Where did you get the idea that setting a driver level override for DLSS settings/models is referred to as "actual DLSS"? That it is highly misleading. Calling some driver settings "actual DLSS" implies that the alternative is "not really DLSS".

This is so weird I am suspecting you don't really read what you respond to. Again, the question is specifically "what does actual DLSS mean, and how is FF DLSS not actual DLSS" the question was not "how do I override DLSS settings".

[Larirawiel]

Where did you get the idea that setting a driver level override for DLSS settings/models is referred to as "actual DLSS"? That it is highly misleading. Calling some driver settings "actual DLSS" implies that the alternative is "not really DLSS".

This is so weird I am suspecting you don't really read what you respond to. Again, the question is specifically "what does actual DLSS mean, and how is FF DLSS not actual DLSS" the question was not "how do I override DLSS settings".

DLSS has made many development iterations. So yes, there is "actual DLSS" and older DLSS versions. FF14 comes with an older version. And the older version is not as good as the newest one.


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[aiqa]

DLSS has made many development iterations. So yes, there is "actual DLSS" and older DLSS versions. FF14 comes with an older version. And the older version is not as good as the newest one.

Oh wait a minute... are you using the word "actual" to mean "current" or "newest"?

[Larirawiel]

Oh wait a minute... are you using the word "actual" to mean "current" or "newest"?

Ummm, yes.


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[aiqa]

yes

Understood.

But for future reference, please don't use that word that way. The word "actual" doesn't mean "current" or "recent". You can only use it that way in very specific situations to contrast with predictions or hypotheticals and such. But if something is an actual car it means it's not a toy or a fake car (or fake DLSS), not that it is the most recent model.

And I don't think the original claim about "actual DLSS" meant "the most recent version of DLSS". Since it claimed actual DLSS would cause crashes. And implementing it would require a full rewrite of the game.

[Molex]

What is "actual DLSS" and what part of that doesn't work in FF?

Pretty much letting DLSS do its own thing, which is downscaling then upscaling your game. Problem : FF14's engine is so bad DLSS cannot work on it, so nothing happens. At best it can be used as a glorified FXAA, which barely does anything still because the game engine is refusing any post-processing.

[Larirawiel]

Pretty much letting DLSS do its own thing, which is downscaling then upscaling your game. Problem : FF14's engine is so bad DLSS cannot work on it, so nothing happens. At best it can be used as a glorified FXAA, which barely does anything still because the game engine is refusing any post-processing.

With DLSS/DLAA Preset K the game looks really good. With other TAA implementations (yes, DLSS/DLAA/FSR >1/Xess are all TAA based) it looks way worse. It seems, that the engine does not generate proper velocity buffers and relies on optical flow engines. Optical flow engines also generate velocity buffers but these are very subpar. Preset K seems to fix it in some way.


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