
Originally Posted by
Gurgeh
You know... maybe you could release an ultimate light, with all its extra story, and its shiny weapons... that has absolutely no DPS check, that is slow, but which is heavy on the 6 man body checks, with room always to recover.
An ultimate raider will clear it second pull blind, someone like me will spend 2-4 weeks progging it, until I know my part of the fight perfectly... but once I do that's it.
Award casuals money for time spent progring it, just tomes or something will do.
Points for effort. Its not impossible. Casuals would adore surprising ourselves. Every caual that has had some firends help the through thier first Extreme high end knows this. But then then they are faced with farm PFs and that a whole other loads of BS.
Reward people for prog and you'll get them in DF. (especially if your brave enough to limit parties to 4/8 so they've got no choice.)
A fight that will kill any party that does not have 1.5 healers healing fully (not perfectly, not optimally, just fully) + 1 tank party mitigating fully, (between the two of them). No enrage. None at all. No DPS mitigation needed. No Food 'needed' even to prog. Level synced but needing only normal gear. When you queue you know it could be a 10 min fight for ultimate or a 40 minute fight for the likes of me.
You get the idea
Force it into DF is the point.
Reward people for entering, so there is light at the end of the tunnel while they are doing it.
Then in 12 months let people 8 man PF it.
No this is not Extreme, you can prog extreme as a casual without food and good gear, and without DPS mitigation, and it has enrage, and rewards suck, and you cant incentivise people to DF it, and ther is no story, and shiny weapons, and they don't make players feel proud or special frankly.
Your casual player needs a hug.
(Maybe shelve that next ultimate. "sorry, cost" It was very thinkable for Forked tower wasn't it? no I don't expect you to, but itsno less outrageous you did that to us. Don't do it again.)