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  1. #111
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    AvoSturmfaust's Avatar
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    Maweth Ashari
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    Shiva
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurgeh View Post
    You know... maybe you could release an ultimate light, with all its extra story, and its shiny weapons... that has absolutely no DPS check, that is slow, but which is heavy on the 6 man body checks, with room always to recover.
    An ultimate raider will clear it second pull blind, someone like me will spend 2-4 weeks progging it, until I know my part of the fight perfectly... but once I do that's it.
    Award casuals money for time spent progring it, just tomes or something will do.
    Points for effort. Its not impossible. Casuals would adore surprising ourselves. Every caual that has had some firends help the through thier first Extreme high end knows this. But then then they are faced with farm PFs and that a whole other loads of BS.
    Reward people for prog and you'll get them in DF. (especially if your brave enough to limit parties to 4/8 so they've got no choice.)
    A fight that will kill any party that does not have 1.5 healers healing fully (not perfectly, not optimally, just fully) + 1 tank party mitigating fully, (between the two of them). No enrage. None at all. No DPS mitigation needed. No Food 'needed' even to prog. Level synced but needing only normal gear. When you queue you know it could be a 10 min fight for ultimate or a 40 minute fight for the likes of me.
    You get the idea
    Force it into DF is the point.
    Reward people for entering, so there is light at the end of the tunnel while they are doing it.
    Then in 12 months let people 8 man PF it.
    No this is not Extreme, you can prog extreme as a casual without food and good gear, and without DPS mitigation, and it has enrage, and rewards suck, and you cant incentivise people to DF it, and ther is no story, and shiny weapons, and they don't make players feel proud or special frankly.
    Your casual player needs a hug.
    (Maybe shelve that next ultimate. "sorry, cost" It was very thinkable for Forked tower wasn't it? no I don't expect you to, but itsno less outrageous you did that to us. Don't do it again.)
    Hell no, you want a shiny ultimate weapon? go and prog a ultimate and improv your playstyle, ultimates should never ever have a easy mode or anything
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  2. #112
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    Gurgeh's Avatar
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    Enceladus Orbilander
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    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    The five main content creators that blow smoke up their asses and stream it, while saying how amazing it is and gaslighting the playerbase. aka Mr. Happy.
    Ehh... I think there are others you could name before Mr Happy. I don't think he 'cares', he quite clearly sees himself as 'apart' from us, our problem not his, but he gets it. I've not seen him gaslight, not seen him much though myself. I think he's about the last to mention of the real 'savage' creators though.
    Don't suggest you do name them though.
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    Last edited by Gurgeh; 06-20-2025 at 10:39 PM.

  3. #113
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    Hallarem Aurealis
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    The five main content creators that blow smoke up their asses and stream it, while saying how amazing it is and gaslighting the playerbase. aka Mr. Happy.
    Mr Happy and the rest of the creator goblins are the last ones they should listen to in terms of content. They legit dont talk about anything except endgame fights.
    An MMO is so much more than just the endgame fights.
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  4. #114
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    A'zalie Nitsah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infindox View Post
    They are making normal and "savage" for anything else in OC, Forked Tower is screwed though. Gets a premade PF thing but in the end, when they do it in 7.3 it'll just be Discord content again.
    Don't they realise the big 'fuck you' this is to most of the playerbase... I've been critical for a long time, but up until now, I always wanted them to get back in track. Now I want to see them fail hard. How could they achieve to ignore 3 years of complaints and FT was their answer...
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  5. #115
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    Fawkes Macleod
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    Don't worry guys, they heard your feedback loud and clear! That's why the new reward for clearing the Deep Dungeon is a Savage fight! Finally savage raiders will have something to do!
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  6. #116
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    Infindox's Avatar
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    Absenthine Starfrost
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    Faerie
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Now that it's pretty much over want to share what I thought.
    I'll say I'm pleased with the feedback for Cosmic Exploration. They touched on a lot of problems, said they would fix them (even touched on things I didn't even know people had problems on, like the NPC placement when the base upgrades).
    The Occult Crescent chat was... Hit or miss. I'm glad they touched on certain things, but hearing that Forked Tower (Should specify the Blood one, the one we have now, since it's also Forked Tower for the other version later) was made the way it was because of either time or money is somewhat infuriating. They said they were making a premade party option to go in, but I feel doing that in 7.3 is just barely patching what will be pretty much old content by then.
    I won't lie, I am happy they said they will do stuff differently for the rest of it later, but for Forked Tower (Blood) it feels like it's screwed now matter what. Just will hope they plop the TT card on a NPC if they aren't going to do anything else.
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  7. #117
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    Hen'iel Jackel
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    Blue Mage Lv 47
    Quote Originally Posted by ovIm View Post
    I am quite shocked that the reason for a lack of "Normal Mode" Forked Tower was, according to unofficial translations, that it would have cost too much.
    This game a load bearing pillar for Square Enix.
    This was really a slap tbh for the number 2? MMO?
    A simple normal version is now cut because of costs?
    But an ultimate is of course reassured to be in development?

    I appreciate that they were clear about their quality slacking but…
    The feedback posts they have shown were all original quotes from the Japanese forum.

    I don’t mind the rest of what they have shown though.
    The Viera hats and ear toggles were nice (I didn’t see a toggle for Miqo’te though?)
    But with it, chat bubbles and the raidplan I think it would have really helped them if they had communicated more beforehand and shown progress instead of this constant secret keeping.

    Don’t know what to think in full tbh.
    It cool to get a reaction to feedback but like very one thought, only the Japanese one was heard or acknowledged.
    My sub runs out on Monday.
    I don’t think I will come back before 7.3 or even 8.0 and even then I will wait for the initial reviews…
    I really don’t know what to think right now and will probably sleep over it.
    Some good things, some bad things. Hmm…
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    Last edited by Voidmage; 06-20-2025 at 11:53 PM.

  8. #118
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    Absenthine Starfrost
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    Faerie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    Don't worry guys, they heard your feedback loud and clear! That's why the new reward for clearing the Deep Dungeon is a Savage fight! Finally savage raiders will have something to do!
    They didn't say it was savage, just "harder".
    More annoying it's locked behind doing 100 floors of Deep Dungeon, though, since most people will stop at whatever the story floor is (like floor 30 for HoH/EO), though finding groups for Deep Dungeon isn't too bad... So long as it's not annoying like EO was.
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  9. #119
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    Teaudix Suidoreux
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurgeh View Post
    Ehh... I think there are others you could name before Mr Happy. I don't think he 'cares', he quite clearly sees himself as 'apart' from us, our problem not his, but he gets it. I've not seen him gaslight, not seen him much though myself. I think he's about the last to mention of the real 'savage' creators though.
    Don't suggest you do name them though.
    You should watch the latest "State of the Realm" then ...
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  10. #120
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    Stasya Astolfofangirl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallarem View Post
    Mr Happy and the rest of the creator goblins are the last ones they should listen to in terms of content. They legit dont talk about anything except endgame fights.
    An MMO is so much more than just the endgame fights.
    You are talking about different mmo than ff14 i think. 7.3 alliance raid with msq is like 3 hours slowly walking tops. 7.31 crafting zone = everyone awaits for macros just to bot. 7.35 deep dungeon = even turbo casually i dont see you can stretch it over multiple days.

    ff14 minus end game is very hollow experience. Even OC casually wise what can you even do here with no CLL/Delubrum normal like raid?
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