Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

[0blivion]

They have to ask something though, there was no warning message whatsoever, we just got targeted with the pointing finger emote once we were in, and when we were in there still was no warning.

If you see 48 people standing there, just reinstance. You wouldn't have gotten into tower without the premade you were leeching off of. Unless you can organize 16/24 people who are not premades you're leeching off of, you're not entitled to anyone's time. So you won't get raised. And as Neclord said, it's fairly obvious you were following Rinon around because of your weird hateboner.

[Neclord]

So provided the Plebs bend the knee, they will be tolerated?

I think we just have a difference of perspective here. As a reasonably social person, I have no qualms joining subcommunities in a multiplayer game and collaborating with people (they don't bite) to clear something. If you see that as a bending of the knee rather than just a normal process when something requires real collaboration, I can only hope that your perspective on community changes as you go about your life. It would certainly benefit you in the long run.

I'm in awe at how someone with nearly 2500 posts can miss something this straightforward. The beginning of this sentence contains an "if" - which means the hope that you shift your perspective is conditional on whether you believe joining a community to collaborate with people to clear a piece of content in a video game is somehow a submissive act of "bending the knee" to the people you're working with. I think most people in this thread would feel deeply concerned for you if you did.

[Pierllos]

If you see 48 people standing there, just reinstance. You wouldn't have gotten into tower without the premade you were leeching off of. Unless you can organize 16/24 people who are not premades you're leeching off of, you're not entitled to anyone's time. So you won't get raised. And as Neclord said, it's fairly obvious you were following Rinon around because of your weird hateboner.

So the only answer now you have is... we follow Messire Rinnon ?
Just a question. If one day we are 24/24, who will decide who can enter ?
I can't understand how a MMO game allows a certain playerbase to do the policemen and decide who can enter and lauch the raid.

[RuriStone]

Maybe multiple choice is easier for these people.

You join an OC instance and weather pops. A group of 48 people is on the glowy platform. They ask you to kindly step off because a) they're premade, b) they are at a further prog point, c) they invested time into organizing it and spreadsheeting. They link their discord and ask you to join a future newbie run.
Do you:
a) ignore that and join anyway, putting in ciphers and leeching off of the organization of the premade making the run possible in the first place, as well as shitting on everyone's efforts to make time for this coordinated effort?
b) step off the platform and cry wolf on the forum about how the mean raiders are gatekeeping the content?
c) thank them kindly, reinstance and try to organize it yourself with randoms in the next instance? (and don't go into b) after failing)
or
d) join the discord, join a newbie run, pull your weight, actually read guides and provide help with the organizing?

If the answer is anything but c) or d), you are the problem.

a) 100% what will you do? Call me names? Go for it, leave me dead, go for it it's just a game it isn't my first time dying to content I'm trying to learn, blacklist me? Good, Why would I want to play with someone who hates me because I play differently to them?

[Watai]

If you see 48 people standing there, just reinstance. You wouldn't have gotten into tower without the premade you were leeching off of. Unless you can organize 16/24 people who are not premades you're leeching off of, you're not entitled to anyone's time. So you won't get raised. And as Neclord said, it's fairly obvious you were following Rinon around because of your weird hateboner.

Again, HOW DO I F* KNOW ? They could all be players just being around OC and waiting for the weather, don't blame me for their lack of communication, i didn't see a single message saying this was a premade, i was doing fates while waiting for the weather.
At first there was one of my teammates and 3 rdms on the platform, we just entered this instance and there were around 10 people in, then it shot up to 35 or smth in minutes, i do fates for a while then the right weather appear i tag to go in and discover the raid, it's as simple as that.
So whenever there are people in my instance ready to do the raid i don't go in ? What kind of logic is that ? IF they tried to actually communicate instead of going on a bullying spree i would have gone off the platform, you think i would throw away scrolls just for fun ? WTF

[Mawlzy]

I'm in awe at how someone with nearly 2500 posts can miss something this straightforward. The beginning of this sentence contains an "if" - which means the hope that you shift your perspective is conditional on whether you believe joining a community to collaborate with people to clear a piece of content in a video game is somehow a submissive act of "bending the knee" to the people you're working with. I think most people in this thread would feel deeply concerned for you if you did.

Oh good, a lawyer.

Yes agreed, that would be a very weird position for me to take. But never did I suggest joining a group was a submissive act.

I'm done with this, but I would assume that a lawyer would notice the behavior that "bending the knee" was actually referring to. If they believed the judge was asleep, the jury was gullible, and they had a flexible personal code of ethics, they might then run with your disingenuous argument.

Do please have the last word if you wish.

[0blivion]

leave me dead

That. And apparently the snipers seem to hate being left dead. If you don't mind, sure. I don't mind leaving leechers and snipers dead until they either stop doing it or get good enough to somehow pull their weight.

The "no communication, they could've all been randoms" doesn't track. It doesn't track because this content is indeed being organized outside of FFXIV for the most part, organizing inside is less likely, so the onus is on you to not inconvenience 48 people.

If it was 24/24, whoever came second should leave tbh. They did that for BA. "Is this instance taken?". That easy. But as long as you're under 24 or even 16 people, do not think you deserve priority over groups that organize and let you enter in the first place. You get your cipher back when you reinstance. It ain't that deep.

[Maltothoris]

you think i would throw away scrolls just for fun ? WTF

The one thing I will say is that you are refunded the cipher if you don't make it in.

[SaltyDaddy]

a) 100% what will you do? Call me names? Go for it, leave me dead, go for it it's just a game it isn't my first time dying to content I'm trying to learn, blacklist me? Good, Why would I want to play with someone who hates me because I play differently to them?

It is about being polite from both sides. If one side kindly ask, they want to do premade, and you insist on going in... I don't think those people are the real problem. Problem is SE made this system and it allows toxicity to spread. You wanna tell us, if you see some private ceremony in public space (these happen), where you are comforted that it is private and you still go and eat their cake... Dunno. That's more toxic than them in my opinion.

I think you are not even planning on actually doing the raid. You just want to make people mad and that is all.

[Neclord]

Oh good, a lawyer.

Yes agreed, that would be a very weird position for me to take. But never did I suggest joining a group was a submissive act.

I'm done with this, but I would assume that a lawyer would notice the behavior that "bending the knee" was actually referring to. If they believed the judge was asleep, the jury was gullible, and they had a flexible personal code of ethics, they might then run with your disingenuous argument.

Do please have the last word if you wish.

Great. Thank you for clarifying you do not see joining a group to be a submissive act. I would've preferred to have received that clarification three pages ago and without being misquoted multiple times, but there we are.

Can you return to discussing the actual topic of the thread rather than whatever this law court roleplay is please?