Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

[Supersnow845]

Being able to queue directly or as a group doesn’t change the problem where OC as a whole builds to FT (like I mean it kinda throws itself in your face when there are multiple jobs that are near useless outside of FT) but FT doesn’t align with OC

Like DRS was fine because the southern front built towards CLL and Zadnor to dal. DRS worked because it was largely exogenous to the content itself

“Just add a queue” doesn’t really fix the fact that for many people in OC forked is simply too difficult for what they want to do and for them OC is kinda a mindless slog that leads nowhere

[FuturePastNow]

They DID promise us "more stress and friction" and absolutely delivered, got to give them that.

That they did! And this is absolutely working as intended, or as designed, if not as intended. I for one am looking forward to the stream tomorrow, I don't know what Yoshida will say but it's going to be rich

Being able to queue directly or as a group doesn’t change the problem where OC as a whole builds to FT (like I mean it kinda throws itself in your face when there are multiple jobs that are near useless outside of FT) but FT doesn’t align with OC

Like DRS was fine because the southern front built towards CLL and Zadnor to dal. DRS worked because it was largely exogenous to the content itself

“Just add a queue” doesn’t really fix the fact that for many people in OC forked is simply too difficult for what they want to do and for them OC is kinda a mindless slog that leads nowhere

That's another problem yeah. The whole zone is built around the Tower, and the assumption that people will enter the Tower. There's no point to the gear if you don't go in. There's no use for most of the Phantom Jobs if you don't go in. Without the dungeon as an ending, the zone is just a more dangerous FATE train

[Andevom]

They weren't really jerks though. They politely explained the nature of the content but also said they could join if they absolutely insist since the game allows them to. But, naturally, that they could not realistically rez them if they mess up because it would sabotage the run.

I don't think it was very polite. It passive aggressively boiled down to "we don't want you here/you're not one of us". Now after this thread, they're trying to claim they would've been willing to collaborate with them, but nothing in the way they engaged them implies that.

[Khryseis_Astra]

That's another problem yeah. The whole zone is built around the Tower, and the assumption that people will enter the Tower. There's no point to the gear if you don't go in. There's no use for most of the Phantom Jobs if you don't go in. Without the dungeon as an ending, the zone is just a more dangerous FATE train

Another reason it’s really disappointing that this wasn’t setup like DR/DRS with a story mode and hard mode. Especially when a lot of people will be going into the next zone before they’re able to complete the Tower.

Genuine question on the rez restrictions though… that’s on the receiving end correct? Three rezzes/three strikes you’re out? So why deny a rez when someone will get kicked out anyway if they hit three? Totally understandable to prioritize rezzes to the more knowledgeable, but are they really denying rezzes to randoms out of fear that their next mistake could wipe the entire attempt? If it’s really that rough, this should be able to be queued… the game doesn’t do a great job of explaining what you’re in for. There’s no warning box like we got for BA.

[Akivar]

So if 23 people in a alliance raid decide that they are going to watch a guide before continuing, but 1 doesn't, would you also agree with this? Should that one person, in public content, have to spil themselves because the other people in public content do?
I think if this was any other content you would not agree with your stance.
This isnt a static group, its PUBLIC content. It is open to the masses. Next you'll be demanding people join a discord for fates because others want them too.
It is not the discord communities content, they get no say.

[0blivion]

The difference is that alliance raids aren't high-end duties (except for CAR), and if they were 8 full premades going into the raid, you just straight up wouldn't get let in by the video game. You know, like CAR, where if you don't read a guide when the PF says you should, you will rightfully get kicked. Sure, it's public content, but you're leeching off of the organizer's efforts because otherwise, you wouldn't even get in lol. Again, soccer court. If two teams are playing a game, you don't just randomly start kicking the ball even if the court is public, because they organized a game and you didn't sign up, even if the court is public.

[Akivar]

Party Finder is different, the group gets to decide who joins and remains in their private party. There is a party leader that can boot people. It is the party decision who enters that raid with them. Forked tower is a roulette system, you are chosen from a selection of players to get to enter the instance. Players in the instance do not get to decide who they play with. If you get put with people in an alliance raid that cause wipes, guess what, part of the content. You do not have a say who gets to enter, ewnd of story. You do not get a say on whether they use discord or not, end of story.
FT is a roulette, not a PF group. Get over it. That is how Square designed it. All players were meant to be able to experience it, not your insolated static group. If it was intended to be done by a static you can control the members of, then the entry system would have been designed that way.

[Akivar]

This isn't a PF, its a random entry system. If square wanted it to be a PF, then they would have done so. It isn't. Its like having a raid you can randomly queue into, that is what it is. Deal with it or quit. Harassing and griefing players is against TOS, and you will be handled accordingly. End of the story.

[Nero-Voidstails]

This isn't a PF, its a random entry system. If square wanted it to be a PF, then they would have done so. It isn't. Its like having a raid you can randomly queue into, that is what it is. Deal with it or quit. Harassing and griefing players is against TOS, and you will be handled accordingly. End of the story.

sometime premade will ignore and grief other player because of that

[kyyninen_kirahvi]

You can't snipe a lottery. That much should be obvious. The resses (all three) should be the warning in this case. Sure, it sucks you couldn't get all your friends in but as stated before. You can't snipe a lottery. Not their fault. Blame Square and and play with the people you can at the moment.

I do hope the system changes but I think it won't.