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    TaleraRistain's Avatar
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    Thalia Beckford
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    I think the unfortunate thing after today is that we're still going to see this even after 7.3 They're adding a way for 48 players to get into the same instance (maybe opening a new one if an instance doesn't have 48 slots open?) but they're not changing anything about the entry requirements once inside the instance. The only thing it might change is people won't yell at half the zone to leave so they can zone in.
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    Phen Deazur
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    I think the idea was literally "you bring randoms and it often fails and every like 50 times you pass this one mechanic because some 8-man parties had a quick chat before pull that have done it 49 times before and they happened to all be in the same instance, and geared, and multiple jobs (etc)." because that would mean you only clear it a few times before the next tower is out in 6 months or whatever. Content longevity! So yah no sniping here- deal with the reality- you are intended to not progress often even hanging out there.

    I feel like so much of this would be fixed by removing the raise penalties so the idea of "ill just catch the next one" would be normal. I mean the same discord gatekeeping happens with hunts- but since its more the merrier/they advertise in shout when doing things-- its no issue.
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    G'raha Tinya
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    Looking at the requirements for +2 gear and the plethora of exchangeables as well as the 7.3 LL, I'mma say that the intention wasn't for this few people to clear. Since, y'know, YoshiP did bring up the clear number.
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    @Tyintheron: This isn't about stream sniping in particular, though. Like, yeah, I'mma be real, I don't feel any particular way about streamers. I think if they wanna have a 48man static, unironically, that's okay, but I'm not touching that with a 7-foot pole. What I do participate in is discords who regularly politely ask people to step off platforms, say they're premade and offer an invite link to join newbie runs. I think this is where my frustration is coming from. Yeah, time sucks, but the prog will be better for you and everyone else if you are with people at your prog point.

    Usually, the discords aren't streaming. We just pathetically tried to find an instance for an hour, finally found one and asked 1-2 players to please step off the platform so we can enter together. After, mind you, holding free for all PF entries so everyone could organize, spreadsheet and so on. So while I agree it is godawful that we don't have direct entry and/or functional PF that includes phantom jobs, my main issue will be and has always been that the people in the discords run newbie runs fairly often. We want people to progress. We just don't want them to fuck up the gigantic spreadsheet you need to coordinate roles.

    So, yeah. I do feel all sorts of ways about snipers. I don't care about streamers, and I do have less sympathy for them than for FFA discord runs, the latter is what I've been experiencing for the most part. So I think we had miscommunication there, Tyintheron? Because yeah I personally don't really engage with streamers lol. Obviously, they shouldn't get sniped either, but also, imho they should provide a link to a public discord the way FFA discord runs do.

    /e: Not engaging with Gurgeh because that's literally a troll
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    Justarian Demarius
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0blivion View Post
    @Tyintheron: This isn't about stream sniping in particular, though. Like, yeah, I'mma be real, I don't feel any particular way about streamers. I think if they wanna have a 48man static, unironically, that's okay, but I'm not touching that with a 7-foot pole. What I do participate in is discords who regularly politely ask people to step off platforms, say they're premade and offer an invite link to join newbie runs. I think this is where my frustration is coming from. Yeah, time sucks, but the prog will be better for you and everyone else if you are with people at your prog point.

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    So, yeah. I do feel all sorts of ways about snipers. I don't care about streamers, and I do have less sympathy for them than for FFA discord runs, the latter is what I've been experiencing for the most part. So I think we had miscommunication there, Tyintheron? Because yeah I personally don't really engage with streamers lol. Obviously, they shouldn't get sniped either, but also, imho they should provide a link to a public discord the way FFA discord runs do.
    We're good, mate. It sounds like you have a good crew, and I can get the frustration - again, I think it's really great you guys set up runs for new players. THAT is the good stuff, right there!

    And I'm not a "streamer" type of person, either, so I'm with you there - I'd just been assuming that's where the "sniping" part comes from, so that one's on me.

    Hopefully you'll get an easier time of setting it all up once 7.3 hits, eh? Hope it makes it a bit more fun for all concerned.
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    Quick, entirely unironic question. Is it against ToS to post links? If not, I'll compile them.
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    Malto Thoris
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0blivion View Post
    Quick, entirely unironic question. Is it against ToS to post links? If not, I'll compile them.
    From what I've found, Discord links are deleted because of the issues with phishing, RMT and erp channels.
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    The sniping is actually a relic from BA discourse I think? LOL But uhhhhHhhh yeah I host newbie runs myself and I've actually never gotten sniped so it's a bit of a sore spot for me because I've seen other people hosting runs get a lot of them, unfortunately. But yeah I believe in the power of FFA discords beating the hell out of the cursed entry system!
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0blivion View Post
    The sniping is actually a relic from BA discourse I think? LOL But uhhhhHhhh yeah I host newbie runs myself and I've actually never gotten sniped so it's a bit of a sore spot for me because I've seen other people hosting runs get a lot of them, unfortunately. But yeah I believe in the power of FFA discords beating the hell out of the cursed entry system!
    Nah, bro, you can't try to claim sniping is just BA discourse when you've been out here in threads calling random entrants parasites.
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    links bad cuz phishing

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